Roger Knapman hires Polish workers

Anthony Butcher · 07-05-2006, 04:21 PM

Just to verify their manifesto quote:
http://www.ukip.org/ukip_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=1934

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The Government predicted that some 13,000 Polish workers would come to the UK when Poland joined the EU in May 2004; Migration Watch puts that figure at 250,000 today. The Labour Government’s untenable excuse is that we need large numbers of immigrant workers. Only UKIP’s MEPs voted against enlargement and warned of the likely outcome.

pentameter · 07-05-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Christina

You seem to misunderstand the article in the Times, Dave. Knapman is not employing immigrants (people who have decided to live here permanently) he is bringing over Poles for the duration of the their work on his house, then sending them back. He also badmouthed British workers.

No true patriotic person would do that, and as the leader of a patriotic party, it is galling to say the least.

You have no chance of winning the working class with a leader who clearly despises them.

It's a gross mistake to assume that immigrants are only people with a permanent intention to settle here.

You also want to split a hair between employing Polish workers who are already here, which you admit is legal, and bringing over Polish workers for a specific period and assisting their return, which you also admit is legal - he can hardly be 'sending them back' as they have a right to stay here if they wish. They could also have come here without his involvement.

When it comes to matters of principle, I pointed out that the leader of the party you follow enthusiastically, is engaged in gross hypocrisy over the question of Europe, where he's chosen to supress dissent, and in particular, the question of fisheries, which are a continuing and scandalous ecological disaster. He does nothing about this because it would raise the question of Europe, but he goes in for nonsensical gestures about global warming and the school run. In other words, this talk about the environment is OK as long as it suits his purposes.

You never got round to answering.

Isn't it true that you've pumped this news item up not as a matter of principle, but purely as party political posturing. Isn't it also true that while getting on this moral high horse you've shown a complete lack of principle?

Why should anyone take your postings seriously?

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Originally Posted by Christina

He also badmouthed British workers.

Flanders and Swann should be burned in effigy.

Christina · 07-05-2006, 05:27 PM

If I was posting to help the Conservative Party, I would be encouraging everyone in UKIP here to persuade Roger Knapman to stay on as leader for a few more years.

He has failed miserably.

The issue is hypocrisy not legality.

Knowing that UKIP is a party acting as a pressure group to persuade the Conservative Party to withdraw from the EU, I would rather have you with a more competent leader who could actually achieve getting the EU high on the political agenda. As a joke, you do nothing, and Knapman is not helping at all.

I do not believe Petrina would be a joke of a leader, do you? I don't know what her abilities are like, I'm just going from what she posts here. Petrina as leader may actually make people take notice, especially us Conservatives.

Farage does well to a certain extent, but he comes across as a bit of a twit too. Can you imagine Petrina doing something as stupid as talking to people from an armoured car? It gives the impression you think we are at war with Europe.

With a decent leader UKIP could provide a useful function in promoting reform of the EU as you call for withdrawal. If the reform proves to be impossible, you may win people over to withdraw.

pentameter · 07-05-2006, 05:43 PM

Christina,

I like to put the other point of view sometimes, especially when there's a climate of disapproval.

What I really think is that the morality/ethics of what Knapman's supposed to have done is defensible but dubious in view of the positions he's taken. It's a technical argument when there also has to be an emotional one.

More particularly, for an experienced politician to fall into a trap like this shows a colossal lack of judgement or commitment.

I certainly believe that Cameron's enviromentalism and suppressing of the fisheries Green paper stinks.

I don't know about Petrina, but a change would be good, so why not?

Christina · 07-05-2006, 05:51 PM

Pentameter

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The Government predicted that some 13,000 Polish workers would come to the UK when Poland joined the EU in May 2004; Migration Watch puts that figure at 250,000 today. The Labour Government’s untenable excuse is that we need large numbers of immigrant workers. Only UKIP’s MEPs voted against enlargement and warned of the likely outcome.

I've copied the quote that Anthony Butcher posted.

Today's revelations spell out H. Y. P. O. C. R. I. S. Y.

Whatever you think of Cameron, he is doing well. 316.

BTW, are you all aware that although UKIP won 1 seat, you also lost one therefore had 0 gain? I don't think UKIP have been pointing this out.

C_steam · 07-05-2006, 06:08 PM

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Farage does well to a certain extent, but he comes across as a bit of a twit too. Can you imagine Petrina doing something as stupid as talking to people from an armoured car? It gives the impression you think we are at war with Europe.

No, I can't imagine it either. And I agree about farage, I find his tone quite off putting.

B.A.Ware · 07-05-2006, 06:12 PM

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BTW, are you all aware that although UKIP won 1 seat, you also lost one therefore had 0 gain? I don't think UKIP have been pointing this out.

Thats it Christina send me over the edge "wheres the rope" :shock:

Which one :?:

Christina · 07-05-2006, 06:24 PM

Wirral Borough Council, BA. There is a letter from a former UKIP member who has left because of this cover-up on the BNP website. It's in their regional news section, 6 May, entitled 'UKIP: Telling half a story.'

pentameter · 07-05-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Christina

Whatever you think of Cameron, he is doing well. 316.

Yeah, well this has been much analysed. Not much point him doing well if he's only Blair MkII.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christina

BTW, are you all aware that although UKIP won 1 seat, you also lost one therefore had 0 gain? I don't think UKIP have been pointing this out.

The most inventive rhetoric I've heard has been when politicians discussed electoral results. The good ones are proof positive that they are laying a sure path to the foot of the cross and the poor ones are establishing a new beginning which is sure to lead us to the foot of the cross next time. Some people have noted Ming Campbell's use of 'consolidation' as inventive. I'm sure I've heard it before.

UKIP gained a seat - accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.

Bluemerle · 07-05-2006, 08:00 PM

Petrina wrote:-

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I trust that he will offer his apologies and his resignation to the NEC .To do otherwise would be another serious lack of judgement in my view.

Agreed. He has been totally ineffectual as Leader, and now he is hypocritical as well. To say I am disappointed is an understatement. He must go and quickly. :evil:

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07-05-2006, 05:27 PM	#33 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	If I was posting to help the Conservative Party, I would be encouraging everyone in UKIP here to persuade Roger Knapman to stay on as leader for a few more years. He has failed miserably. The issue is hypocrisy not legality. Knowing that UKIP is a party acting as a pressure group to persuade the Conservative Party to withdraw from the EU, I would rather have you with a more competent leader who could actually achieve getting the EU high on the political agenda. As a joke, you do nothing, and Knapman is not helping at all. I do not believe Petrina would be a joke of a leader, do you? I don't know what her abilities are like, I'm just going from what she posts here. Petrina as leader may actually make people take notice, especially us Conservatives. Farage does well to a certain extent, but he comes across as a bit of a twit too. Can you imagine Petrina doing something as stupid as talking to people from an armoured car? It gives the impression you think we are at war with Europe. With a decent leader UKIP could provide a useful function in promoting reform of the EU as you call for withdrawal. If the reform proves to be impossible, you may win people over to withdraw.

07-05-2006, 05:43 PM	#34 (permalink)
pentameter Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 310	Christina, I like to put the other point of view sometimes, especially when there's a climate of disapproval. What I really think is that the morality/ethics of what Knapman's supposed to have done is defensible but dubious in view of the positions he's taken. It's a technical argument when there also has to be an emotional one. More particularly, for an experienced politician to fall into a trap like this shows a colossal lack of judgement or commitment. I certainly believe that Cameron's enviromentalism and suppressing of the fisheries Green paper stinks. I don't know about Petrina, but a change would be good, so why not?

07-05-2006, 06:24 PM	#38 (permalink)
Christina Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eccleston, St Helens Posts: 1,529	Wirral Borough Council, BA. There is a letter from a former UKIP member who has left because of this cover-up on the BNP website. It's in their regional news section, 6 May, entitled 'UKIP: Telling half a story.'