EU Directive 2004/38 wrecks Clarke's deportation promises

Mark Croucher · 03-05-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by UKIP Press Office

For Immediate Release – 15:00hrs 3rd May 2006

EU Directive 2004/38 wrecks Clarke’s deportation promises

A European Directive which came into force just 3 days ago prevents Charles Clarke from fulfilling his pledge to deport foreign convicts. UKIP Leader Roger Knapman said that automatic deportation for EU nationals convicted of criminal offences in the UK are specifically prohibited by EU Directive 2004/38, which states that ‘Expulsion orders may not be issued by the host Member State as a penalty or legal consequence of a custodial penalty’.

Mr Knapman said that article 33 of the directive prevented the automatic removal of those convicted of offences, and whilst it did allow for deportation as a sanction, the blanket use of deportation orders was prohibited by the Directive, which specifically states “Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted”. The Directive entered into force on the 30th April 2006.

Mr Knapman said, “From the original list of 1,023 foreign nationals who were released without deportation, 133, or 13%, were EU nationals and therefore exempt from deportation. Of the remainder, any who were married to British or other EU nationals were also exempt under the same directive.

“For all Charles Clarke’s bluster, he simply can not fulfil his promise to Parliament to ensure foreign nationals serve their sentences in their home nation as a direct result of an EU Directive which his government signed us up to and which came into force less than a week ago. What more damning indictment is there of the extent of the powers which have been signed away?

“It is unfortunate in the extreme that all of the main political parties are desperate to not talk about Europe or the scale of the surrender of national powers. Tub thumping speeches by David Cameron and Sir Menzies Campbell are as empty and as worthless as the Home Secretary’s assurances.” ENDS

Notes to editors:
The directive in question can be found at http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/Lex...0040430-en.pdf
The article in question is Article 33, with the conditions for deportation listed in articles 27, 28 and 29. Article 27 specifically states that deportation can not be an automatic consequence of conviction.
Of the 1,023 prisoners released, according to Home Office figures released last week, 133 (13%) were EU nationals. There is no breakdown for the number of the remainder who are married to EU nationals and therefore similarly exempt.

Hartlepool · 03-05-2006, 03:12 PM

So,as the big three Parties are saying nothing about the EU and this latest revelation at the moment,what is UKIP doing to grab some media attention out of this?

ops:

Are we still using the same story that we are short of manpower and money and so,cannot bring attention to this problem and to UKIP?

ops:

Do the usual excuses still apply to this opportunity as well?

ops:

Mark Croucher,anything to add or refute on what I say here?

C_steam · 03-05-2006, 03:20 PM

HP - slow down! Credit where credit is due.

A press release has been made. The media either run with it - or they don't. The press office will be working hard to try to get some of the papers to run it in tomorrows editions - given the mood of the moment they may well be successful.

But if they are not, then it won't be for the want of trying. Let's face it, the normal moan round here is that we don't make press releases. This time we have.

Once we have released one, whether or not the media run with it is - largely - outside of UKIP's control. All that can be done is try to influence the media to run it.

If this one runs, it'll be impactful.

Mark Croucher · 03-05-2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

So,as the big three Parties are saying nothing about the EU and this latest revelation at the moment,what is UKIP doing to grab some media attention out of this?

ops:

Are we still using the same story that we are short of manpower and money and so,cannot bring attention to this problem and to UKIP?

ops:

Do the usual excuses still apply to this opportunity as well?

ops:

Mark Croucher,anything to add or refute on what I say here?

Naturally, when we spend considerable time and energy on research and write the press release, we then sit on our bloody arses and do sod all for the rest of the day. Thank you for reminding me to send it to some journalists.

If you've got nothing constructive to say, why not try saying nothing?

Rgds

Mark

C_steam · 03-05-2006, 03:45 PM

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Naturally, when we spend considerable time and energy on research and write the press release, we then sit on our bloody arses and do sod all for the rest of the day.

You forgot to include the legendary (in the sense of mythical!) three hour liquid lunches! :wink:

Hartlepool · 03-05-2006, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

So,as the big three Parties are saying nothing about the EU and this latest revelation at the moment,what is UKIP doing to grab some media attention out of this?

ops:

Are we still using the same story that we are short of manpower and money and so,cannot bring attention to this problem and to UKIP?

ops:

Do the usual excuses still apply to this opportunity as well?

ops:

Mark Croucher,anything to add or refute on what I say here?

Naturally, when we spend considerable time and energy on research and write the press release, we then sit on our bloody arses and do sod all for the rest of the day. Thank you for reminding me to send it to some journalists.

If you've got nothing constructive to say, why not try saying nothing?

Rgds

Mark

Thats it then,I'm invited to clam up?

Perhaps you can advise me on how to constantly say nothing,as you seem to be more practiced at it than most of us,Mr Croucher.

Just because you may not like what I ask or say does not mean that you or anyone should invite me to say nothing.

That goes for moderators as well,C_steam!

You dont like what I say,tough,most of the time I dont like what a lot of posters say on here.

Mark Croucher · 03-05-2006, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hartlepool

So,as the big three Parties are saying nothing about the EU and this latest revelation at the moment,what is UKIP doing to grab some media attention out of this?

ops:

Are we still using the same story that we are short of manpower and money and so,cannot bring attention to this problem and to UKIP?

ops:

Do the usual excuses still apply to this opportunity as well?

ops:

Mark Croucher,anything to add or refute on what I say here?

Naturally, when we spend considerable time and energy on research and write the press release, we then sit on our bloody arses and do sod all for the rest of the day. Thank you for reminding me to send it to some journalists.

If you've got nothing constructive to say, why not try saying nothing?

Rgds

Mark

Thats it then,I'm invited to clam up?

Perhaps you can advise me on how to constantly say nothing,as you seem to be more practiced at it than most of us,Mr Croucher.

Just because you may not like what I ask or say does not mean that you or anyone should invite me to say nothing.

That goes for moderators as well,C_steam!

You dont like what I say,tough,most of the time I dont like what a lot of posters say on here.

No, you misunderstand me. It's not that I don't like what you say, it's that I don't care what you say. I'm only trying to stop you making a fool of yourself with inane rubbish like this.

Rgds

Mark

C_steam · 03-05-2006, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Just because you may not like what I ask or say does not mean that you or anyone should invite me to say nothing.

That goes for moderators as well,C_steam!

HP - when I make a post, I make a post as me - not as a mod. If I moderate something, normally you'll know because there may be some inclusion in the post like <snipped. C_S> or similar.

In other words, I have two hats, but not a problem, I think, to differentiate.

So, with my non-moderator hat on, may I ask where I asked you to shut up? "Slow down" was the comment, as personally I thought an attack like that on the guys in the press room was a little unnecessary at that time, given that the release itself was still warm.

flippin' 'eck - we are all on the same side, after all.

pentameter · 03-05-2006, 05:17 PM

It's an excellent press release.

There's a major scandal on Clarke's watch which has hit the headlines. The newspapers point out that it isn't just Clarke, who has been asleep at the wheel and deceitful, but it's a system failure caused by bad management in the Home Office and policies that weren't thought through in the first place.

Clarke comes out with lots of tough talk, and there will no doubt be a 'crack-down'.

Lot's of effort put into catching Clarke out and outraged calls for resignation. No one notices the elephant in the room, which is this directive and and other legislation which originated in Brussels, which means that the tough talk is pretty much just talk, whoever becomes Home Secretary.

It looks like the main parties are taking the line, "Don't mention the EU. I mentioned it once and I think I got away with it".

michael mcgough · 03-05-2006, 08:01 PM

Hartlepool ,why not use 'send to a friend' link on UKIP website and send press release to your local paper.We often do this and often Editors print it in full,especially if it has .Editors love easy to use copy---it gives them free time.

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03-05-2006, 03:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,605 Party: Free England Party	So,as the big three Parties are saying nothing about the EU and this latest revelation at the moment,what is UKIP doing to grab some media attention out of this? ops: Are we still using the same story that we are short of manpower and money and so,cannot bring attention to this problem and to UKIP? ops: Do the usual excuses still apply to this opportunity as well? ops: Mark Croucher,anything to add or refute on what I say here?

03-05-2006, 03:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anwhere far away from the cabalistas Posts: 7,460	HP - slow down! Credit where credit is due. A press release has been made. The media either run with it - or they don't. The press office will be working hard to try to get some of the papers to run it in tomorrows editions - given the mood of the moment they may well be successful. But if they are not, then it won't be for the want of trying. Let's face it, the normal moan round here is that we don't make press releases. This time we have. Once we have released one, whether or not the media run with it is - largely - outside of UKIP's control. All that can be done is try to influence the media to run it. If this one runs, it'll be impactful.

03-05-2006, 05:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
pentameter Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 310	It's an excellent press release. There's a major scandal on Clarke's watch which has hit the headlines. The newspapers point out that it isn't just Clarke, who has been asleep at the wheel and deceitful, but it's a system failure caused by bad management in the Home Office and policies that weren't thought through in the first place. Clarke comes out with lots of tough talk, and there will no doubt be a 'crack-down'. Lot's of effort put into catching Clarke out and outraged calls for resignation. No one notices the elephant in the room, which is this directive and and other legislation which originated in Brussels, which means that the tough talk is pretty much just talk, whoever becomes Home Secretary. It looks like the main parties are taking the line, "Don't mention the EU. I mentioned it once and I think I got away with it".

03-05-2006, 08:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 648	Hartlepool ,why not use 'send to a friend' link on UKIP website and send press release to your local paper.We often do this and often Editors print it in full,especially if it has .Editors love easy to use copy---it gives them free time.