Intbel

Yes, I do expect the NEC to justify decisions and so should all members.
If not, it can do wtf it likes for whatever reason it likes.

Move on .. yes, sure, as far as I am concerned the Ashford centre is over - when it is over. It isn't, yet, though, is it?

As it happens I had no intention of posting to this thread, I did so only to respond to someone who did post to it.

And yes, I took a person's word for it that the report was thorough.
Though it seems some think not thorough enough judging by the daft questions being posed re the accounts.
The accounts are squeaky clean - some folks are searching for dirt where it doesn't exist.

If folks want to find summat wrong, I suggest they might, perhaps, check out Birmingham or Preston's payroll accounts?

To keep such is a legal requirement and to my knowledge, Ashford only kept same.

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John Page

The NEC is a body elected to take management decisions. Much of the information on which they are based is bound to be private. To expect them to make their thinking and information public is disingenuous.

Even NEC members who disagreed with whatever decision was made have to accept the verdict of the elected NEC as a whole.

But that doesn't apply to you. You seem perfectly content to make damaging public unspecific allegations about other areas of the party in your pretty unremitting crusade over Ashford.

If you have evidence of wrongdoing take it to someone in the hierarchy you trust.

But you have an agenda and I don't think it's UKIP's.

Anthony Butcher

I agree with Intbel that the NEC should be able to back up every decision it takes. I wish that I could provide more answers on this issue.

Intbel, you seem to know something that I don't about Ashford's current status - could you enlighten us please? Are there any call staff remaining there? Has it been converted into the IT centre yet?

Intbel

Call Ashford direct and get your info first hand, why not?

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soundasapound

err, excuse me if i am getting the wrong end of the stick, but you are talking...rubbish

If the NEC are an elected body of people, representing the interests of ukip members, then they have to make their decisions, and reasons for them public. This is why minutes are (supposed)to be taken at meetings. Surely we can query decisions, or are we merely to be sheep. No one talked about why ukip moved it to the south west, the answer given was one of "it just is". Which is treating us like children.

In support of intbel, i dont think his allegations are unspecific, they are very specific. And strangely, i dont think i heard from you when people were making allegations about the ashford call centre having 'dodgy 'accounts, only when intbel is defending the call centre, he is accused of having an agenda.

John Page, why dont you stop making unspecific allegations about intbel, and tell the forum what his agenda might be... :wink:

Intbel

The members of the NEC are elected by the party membership and it is, or damn well should be, accountable to the membership.That is true. And I for one would like to know who voted which way and for what and what the various arguments are.I have no crusade re Ashford - I'd speak up whenever I see misrepresentations , unfounded damaging rumours and even downright lies about anthing which damages the reputation of UKIP or any of its valuable reources and/or personnel.

Any allegations I make are specific:

Fact: A proper payroll system is a legal requirement when employing staff.
Fact: Out of three centres, Birmingham, Ashford and Preston, only Ashford maintained such a payroll system.

Yet questions are being asked about Ashford accounts, such questions being petty in the extreme, suggesting that folks are itching to uncover some impropriety where none exists.

Several times I have suggested that folks ring Ashford direct where they will get the facts straight from the horse's mouth - yet none have done so.
Maybe they don't want to know the truth? Or maybe they already know and don't want to wate time on a telephone call even if it is a freephone number?

Yep - the free number 0800 0727730 has still yet to be redirected to Birmingham and many members and enquirers are getting fed up with having to call Birmingham using a not-free numbers. This also is costing UKIP some members. Why hasn't it been re-directed? Simply because the person who is supposed to be doing his job - isn't.

Check it out - ring the freephone number daily - then you will know when it is redirected to Birmingham and maybe our membership leakage will slow down a little.

Call Ashford ...

Who would you suggest?

You think incorrectly.

There are those who sought to close the Ashord centre and succeeded and they did not do so for the benefit of UKIP.

There are those within UKIP who seek UKIP's destruction.
There are those within UKIP who are members simply to be able to use UKIP for their own ends.

Aye, and posts from same may be found on this forum.

And I repeat - I am not on any crusade specific to Ashford.
Whether it is folks at Ashford or elswhere - if I know them, personally, to be people of the highest integrity and other folks are casting aspersions upon their characters I will go out of my way to defend them.

Similarly I will, if necessary, go out of my way to expose those who are mischief makers and are causing UKIP and/or its reputation harm.

The latter can wait until after the leadership election when we all know a little more clearly where we stand.

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brian lee

Intbel wroteI am with John Page on this. Intbel may not be on a crusade specific to Ashford but is never done trying to justify it.

Anyway if Ashford is now closed, let's move on. The Party needs to raise big money. If I am to urge members to cough up I want a transparent efficient accounting system in place that I can trust; and a management I can trust to spend it sensibly. I suspect the latter is too revolutionary.

Intbel

We had one.
Will we get another?
Who knows?

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Colin McNamee

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 10:53 am Post subject:

Intbel,

Thanks I wasn't aware of this as Thread. Well here I am and unless I've missed the answer in previous posts here, my point/question still stands.

Want to answer/discuss it sensibly as you suggested. ?

Intbel

Ashford Call Centre was set up to increase memberships - this it did dramatically.

That was the objective: to increase memberships and cover its costs while doing so. Thanks to meticulous control of funds it not only covered its costs but created a surplus.

Fund raising was a by product and not a major objective.
That it did raise funds for UKIP and sent funds to by-election campaigns is to its credit.

UKIP has not the funding to support a professional call centre - Ashford, as a self funding operation was efficient in this respect.

Ashford Centre, a major UKIP asset, has closed and has been replaced with nothing even beginning to approach a similar value.