kernow

All this talk about deporting foreign criminals is wasted breath, until we have a British government who takes back control of our borders from the EU, deported criminals will just walk back in again.
Best way would be to Publicly hang a few of them with full TV coverage ( this would result in the biggest TV viewing audience ever!) and would probably stop most of the others scum bags ever setting foot in this Country again!

adrianwainer

So was I, untill 9/11

Intbel wrote
I would argue that the death penalty should be restricted to terrorist crime. As a general principle I am against the death penalty for the reason it is possible there could be a miscarriage of justice and a totally innocent person could be executed. Why I would make an exception in respect of terrorist crimes is that I reckon that there is a 50/50 possability that Islamofascist terrorists will detonate a no warning ten kilotonne nuclear warhead in the centre of a western city in the next ten years eg roughly equivalent to the nuclear weapon used at Hiroshima and I would have to balance the possability that an entirely innocent person might get hanged against the possability that not introducing the death penalty would make it more likely that a hundred thousand or more people would be murdered in London as a result of a nuclear bomb being detonated in the City

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Intbel

See how this "War on Terror" balona is influencing folks?
Even you, a person of some intelligence and reason is scared of what may never happen - to the extent that you are willing to sacrifice one of your principles.

I think it is inevitable that some idiot will explode another nuclear bomb someplace, sometime.

I suspect it will be America's most famous idiot who enables this thing.

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We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

adrianwainer

Soap and Lampshades Anyone?

Intbel wrote
You seem a very intelligent person, but those comments are rubbish. Really I can only guess why you have made them and my best guess is you have been led up and down the garden path by the lies the media tell. Understand this and understand this very well, a significant section of people in the Arab and Islamic World are determined to exterminate every non-Muslim on the planet. To say that such people can be reasoned with is bizarre or that they hate non-Muslims because on occasions Muslims are badly treated by non-Muslims is rubbish, they simply want to kill every non-Muslim on this planet. This is not a territorial dispute [ except in so far as they consider the entire planet Earth their territory ], this is not an ideological dispute [ except in so far their ideology demands all non-Muslims be exterminated ] this is a War of Extermination, and your reply seems to have all the innocence of the Jews of Continental Europe who believed that Hitler would not actually do what he said he was going to do.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Intbel

I think they are a minority, I really do.
That does not mean they do not pose a threat - just they are not as great a threat as alleged by ... whom?


I am sure they would, given the chance, kill every non-Muslim.
Again - this is an extremist minority. (I know - so was Hitler's lot. Point taken)

There is one major difference between what Hitler said he would do and what these other folks say what they want to do - this time we are aware that these things can happen.

As you say - these folks can not, at the moment, be reasoned with.

This is is not about reason; it is not about logic - it is about a blind belief in an indoctrinated dogma.

Execution will make no difference and even if it did - would only strengthen their resolve.

What we have is a repeat of history - both Muslim and Christian extremists aiming to rule the whole world.

I refuse to take sides. Christianity and Islam are as vaild - or invalid - as each other.

I will support those who have honour; who are fair and just and those who seek to enable freedom for all. Neither of the two aforementioned control mechanisms meet any of these criteria.

Hartlepool

Intbel,"Another Nuclear Bomb"? you talk as if we had just had a recent Nuclear attack.

The last one was 60 odd years ago.

That shows the strength of having the Bomb.

We will never have a better deterrent than the Bomb.

Never. :wink:

Intbel

True, no nuclear bombs recently but nuclear attacks? Yes, most certainly!
How can attacks using depleted uranium not be considered nuclear attacks?

Nope - its shows that there will always be an idiot prepared to use such a device.
Strength lies in not having a need for a nuclear bomb.

Yeah - all hail the mighty bomb - come to save us all.

Hasn't deterred anything much so far, has it?

"We gotta loada da nukulear bombs - dem terrists is well deterred from attacking us. Ennit?"

"Sure is - sec ... >whoosh< ... oops! WTC vanish in a cloud of dust.
Next question?"


Bleh.

adrianwainer

We are aware that these things can happen. Are We?

Intbel wrote
That is a good point, when you write; "this time we are aware that these things can happen." in that sometimes people who failed to react quickly enough or failed to react at all to the threat posed by Hitler are I believe today sometimes unfairly criticized because whilst there were many terrible things done right untill the time Hitler came along, in general untill Hitler the World was becomeing more civilized and it would have been difficult to imagine anybody would do the things Hitler did. But more relevant to today's situation, what the likes of the BBC, the Guardian and the Indepenant do is to create a false analysis that only Western Whites could do again what Hitler did, so they will for sure make a big stink about the BNP whether their criticism of the BNP is justafied or not but they will deliberately ignore the potential of the likes of Islamofascists to commit genocide because they are not "white" and they are not "Western", with so many people in the United Kingdom not makeing up their own minds on such matters but being spoonfed by the likes of the BBC, The Guardian and The Independent your argument that "There is one major difference between what Hitler said he would do and what these other folks say what they want to do - this time we are aware that these things can happen." does not stand up since most people in the United Kingdom thanks to the BBC, The Guradian and The Independant do not believe those nice Muslims could want to do something just like what Herr Hitler did.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

Hartlepool

Not really Intbel.

They all respect the Bomb.

That includes Chaves,Musses and everyone else in this small World.

Lets be real serious on this one.

Let go of the past,what I say is common knowledge,the Bomb,means peace.

adrianwainer

Intbel wrote
That's just stupid, it might well have been a intelligent position and remark during the crusades during the Middle Ages, in fact given the choice at the time I probably would have supported the Muslims but what has happened since then is that Islam has regressed even to the level it reached during the Middle Ages whilst Christanity in the main has accomidated itself to operate within secular enlightenment values. Tell me when was the last time the Pope called for a Woman to be stoned to death for wearing a mini-skirt or haveing sex whilst not married.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer