13% of foreign convicts cannot be deported.....

Mark Croucher · 27-04-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UKIP Press Office

13% of foreign convicts cannot be deported as they hold EU nationality

26-04-2006

133 of the 1023 convicts released without being considered for deportation could not be deported because they are nationals of other EU member states, UKIP Leader Roger Knapman MEP said today (26.4.06).

Mr Knapman said that the Government had granted full residence and employment rights to nationals of other EU member states, and that deportation would be illegal under EU rules which prevent discrimination on the grounds of nationality.

“It is frankly disingenuous of the Home Secretary to suggest that he can deport all foreign criminals at the end of their sentences, when in fact 13% of them are ineligible for deportation by virtue of their EU citizenship.

“The duty of the Home Secretary is to protect the British people from potentially dangerous criminals. It is now clear that because of the powers signed away by the Government, Mr Clarke is incapable of doing this.

“Not only are we unable to control our own borders because we are saddled with common European policies on immigration and asylum, we are also unable to deport criminals from other EU states, even those convicted of the most serious crimes.

“Given the rates of re-offending amongst released prisoners, how will Mr Clarke explain their presence in the UK to the victims of any subsequent crimes they commit? Is this one of the benefits of EU membership?”.

Intbel · 27-04-2006, 04:10 PM

The Home Secreatary has the power to revoke UK citizenship - why doesn't he do that for those who have it? He has that option.

mkpdavies · 27-04-2006, 04:12 PM

Still doesn't apply to EU nationals though, does it. He can't revoke their EU nationality or rights.

Bluemerle · 27-04-2006, 04:19 PM

Just send them home, we don't need them here. When Romania and Bulgaria come in we will have a lot more than 133. :twisted:

This should be pointed out as one of the major disadvantages of belonging to this rotten club.

Intbel · 27-04-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Still doesn't apply to EU nationals though, does it. He can't revoke their EU nationality or rights.

Agreed. Thing is, though - without UK citizenship they'd not be able to survive, legally, in the UK - they'd be forced to either live illegally and thus be re-imprisoned or leave the country.

Incidentally, he can revoke anyone's UK citizenship if any UK citizen should do something which in the Homes Secretary's opinion is against the best interests of the UK..

As he believes our membership of the EU is beneficial to UK interests then it might well be argued that all UKIP members and supporters are operating aginst the best interests of the UK and thus we should all lose our UK citizenship - he can do this.

Mark Croucher · 27-04-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Still doesn't apply to EU nationals though, does it. He can't revoke their EU nationality or rights.

Agreed. Thing is, though - without UK citizenship they'd not be able to survive, legally, in the UK - they'd be forced to either live illegally and thus be re-imprisoned or leave the country.

Incidentally, he can revoke anyone's UK citizenship if any UK citizen should do something which in the Homes Secretary's opinion is against the best interests of the UK..

As he believes our membership of the EU is beneficial to UK interests then it might well be argued that all UKIP members and supporters are operating aginst the best interests of the UK and thus we should all lose our UK citizenship - he can do this.

EU residents have right of residence within the UK. Although he technically can deport them, he can not prevent them immediately re-entering the country. Should someone so deported challenge the deportation in the European Court, it would be overturned: you can not discriminate on the grounds of nationality, ie you can not impose a punishment which is based on nationality. As you can not deport a British citizen, you can not deport an EU one either.

Rgds

Mark

Intbel · 27-04-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

EU residents have right of residence within the UK. Although he technically can deport them, he can not prevent them immediately re-entering the country. Should someone so deported challenge the deportation in the European Court, it would be overturned: you can not discriminate on the grounds of nationality, ie you can not impose a punishment which is based on nationality. As you can not deport a British citizen, you can not deport an EU one either.
Rgds
Mark

So what is the position of a person who has EU citizenship but does not have citizenship of any country within the EU?

Mark Croucher · 27-04-2006, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

So what is the position of a person who has EU citizenship but does not have citizenship of any country within the EU?

I'm not certain that that is possible, is it?

Rgds

Mark

Intbel · 27-04-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

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Originally Posted by Intbel

So what is the position of a person who has EU citizenship but does not have citizenship of any country within the EU?

I'm not certain that that is possible, is it?
Rgds
Mark

Yup, it is. Under International Law a person may not be deprived of their citizenship if to do so would make that person stateless.

The Home Secreatary is able, in law, to revoke a person's UK citizenship for whatever reason and in so doing would not render the person stateless as the person would be a citizen of the EU.

That is how it is ... though how a person can be a citizen of a mere political entity is not explained ...

That may be something you may care to ask: "How can anyone be an EU citizen when the EU is nothing but a political entity? What exactly is a "Citizen of the EU"? "

David Holland · 03-05-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

Quote:

Originally Posted by UKIP Press Office

13% of foreign convicts cannot be deported as they hold EU nationality

26-04-2006

133 of the 1023 convicts released without being considered for deportation could not be deported because they are nationals of other EU member states, UKIP Leader Roger Knapman MEP said today (26.4.06).

Mr Knapman said that the Government had granted full residence and employment rights to nationals of other EU member states, and that deportation would be illegal under EU rules which prevent discrimination on the grounds of nationality.

“It is frankly disingenuous of the Home Secretary to suggest that he can deport all foreign criminals at the end of their sentences, when in fact 13% of them are ineligible for deportation by virtue of their EU citizenship.

“The duty of the Home Secretary is to protect the British people from potentially dangerous criminals. It is now clear that because of the powers signed away by the Government, Mr Clarke is incapable of doing this.

“Not only are we unable to control our own borders because we are saddled with common European policies on immigration and asylum, we are also unable to deport criminals from other EU states, even those convicted of the most serious crimes.

“Given the rates of re-offending amongst released prisoners, how will Mr Clarke explain their presence in the UK to the victims of any subsequent crimes they commit? Is this one of the benefits of EU membership?”.

Good release. Although of course if we weren't members of the EU they wouldn't have been deported anyway because the Government is incompetent.

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27-04-2006, 04:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,248	Just send them home, we don't need them here. When Romania and Bulgaria come in we will have a lot more than 133. :twisted: This should be pointed out as one of the major disadvantages of belonging to this rotten club.