Mark Croucher

Don't we have 6 who have done that, and a further 3 who came along for a look?

Rgds

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mkpdavies

Well if that's all it is, then back to six. Whoever actually signed up to the campaign.

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douglas denny

Like the £80,000 salary and £20,000+ secretarial allowances; and first class travel free; amd company directorships falling INTO phpbb_their lap; and potential peerage if they are good voting fodder for the party ...... and ... and ....

If they had their country at heart first and foremost they would leave the hypocritical party they belong to; and stop being hypocrites themselves and join the ONLY party which puts country before party ...... UKIP.

If they are really saying we should get out of the EU, and really mean it, they should do the honourable thing and cross the floor and declare for UKIP.

Whilst any MP belongs to another party other than UKIP they should be targetted alright - with a UKIP candidate !

No prisoners !! That's what I say.

Douglas.
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mkpdavies

What, even if we are not running in every seat?

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douglas denny

That's the point - we should be running in every seat. That should be the objective.

No quarter given! Slaughter the lot!
No prisoners !

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mkpdavies

Maybe longer term, but realistically, not going to happen for a few parliaments.

Unless something major happens to change the current status.

For now, I believe we should push these seats to the bottom of the to do list. Country before party, as we like telling others all the time.

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Petrina

Now that we have ( quite rightly ) formally congratulated them it would be very awkward to stand against them ,after all they are adhering to our Party`s main aim of withdrawing from the EU .
I believe the only reason for putting a candidate up against them would be that we did not accept their sincerity .

I`m sure that most of us would like to join in Roger`s congratulations and hope that their example encourages more like- minded MP`s to come out of the woodwork.

After all it is only Westminster which can take us out of the EU.

Millennium3

I agree. We need any decent alliances which will take the cause forward. We do not want to fight everyone if we do not need to.

douglas denny

Sheer nonsense.

You should know better especially if standing for Leadership.

Why bother wanting to be leader if you do not want to put candidates INTO phpbb_every constituency like the party constitution requires?

I have heard this argument time after time again. You are abandoning the basic principles for what you think is expediency but actually is letting the enemy through the gates.

If you do not put candidates INTO phpbb_elections there is no point in forming a separate party - you might as well just go and vote for the Tory.

But first and foremost the principle of this whole business is what counts.

Any Tory (or Glib Dim or Lab, whatever) is standing FOR THE PRINCIPLES OF THEIR OWN PARTY - not ours ! It matters not a jot what they say they would like to see happen - a three line whip in parliament would see off any of their eurosceptic principles like it did at Maastrict (except for the glorious "********").

YOU CANNOT TRUST THEM ONE INCH ! - Unless they are within UKIP.

Take NIck Gibbs (Tory) of Bognor for example: he stood for the first time in Bognor in 1997 and was one of the few who categorically said he would fight for British removal from the European treaties and did so in public. Consequently he was one of the few who Jimmy Goldsmith said that he would not put a Referendum Party candidate against him. Gibbs won the seat.

Have you heard Nick Gibbs say anything against the EU since 1997? ... NOT A PEEP ! Nor are you likely to - he has been enjoying the 'good life' ever since.

I will never countenance our giving way to any other candidate from any other party for the simple reason they do NOT have our principles at heart - the PROOF of this is inherent in what I said above, which is worth repeating...............

If they had the courage of their convictions, and really did want to put country before party and really did want Britain out of the EU - they would cross the floor immediately (not wait for an election) and declare for UKIP.
They do not do so because they are cowards, like their salary too much, or are too keen to climb the greasy pole of their party or all of these.

I have heard also the argument that it is better that we have in parliament a few anti-EU MP's so that come the day when there is a more powerful anti-EU lobby they will swell the numbers and try and persuade others .... Well the answer to this is that it too is nonsense - the proof of that some of them have been there over 30 years and there has been nothing useful manifest from them yet. Why? ....... because their PARTY's PRINCIPLES and MANIFESTOS will not allow it - nor any form of dissent - they are effectively neutered. Better that they declare for UKIP or resign NOW for a by-election as Independent and go out in a blaze of glory.

I don't care who they are or how wonderful their anti-EU credentials - if they are in any other party than UKIP yet say theu want out of the EU they are liars - for all they have to do to prove they are not hypocrites is cross the floor - NOW.

Anyone in our party who says they would compromise with other politicians from other parties is compromising the cause of Britain getting out of the EU - PERIOD. It is naeivety of the first order.

Let us paddle our own canoe and get to OUR own destination -even if it is upsteam.

We have NO NEED OF DEALS WITH OTHER PARTIES.

Douglas.
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mkpdavies

Yeah, everyone who has passed through UKIP's doors have been paragons of virtue.

I think your black and white knob needs fixing, you don't seem to be able to tune INTO phpbb_any of the shades of grey.

This has nothing to do with doing deals with parties. This is about using up UKIP resource on more effective targets, than the few rebels who have shown the balls to throw Camorons threats back in his face.

You are falling INTO phpbb_the exact same trap that people in the old parties have. Building up such a fierce loyalty for a party, that you can't see the bigger picture and indeed are willing to cut of your nose to spite your face.

If UKIP was a jugganaut of a party, with plenty of resource, members, candidates etc, then fine, you would have a point. Let me welcome you to the cold hard reality.

Currenty this is not the case. WE still have much work to do and wasting our time shooting the ones who look like they have some sympathy, is a silly waste of resource. Use the activists in those areas (if we have any), to fight the europhiles/anti freedom/traitors next door.

Maybe one day.

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