Can we please have a sticky about one issue politics

McUkip man · 11-05-2006, 09:15 PM

I guess you would need to understand the mentality of the people here. To put it simply they are not interested in a party that they persieve is having its strings pulled by a southern membership. By southern I mean south of Shetland. They want someone to represent them as oppossed to a party line. Whats the piont of finding out their views if they oppose a centrally dictated one? are we supposed to put the party line first. The party is making so many central party lines there is no room for the veiws of our actual constituents that we are supposed to represent.

By talking to the people a Shetland party is the only thing that could deliver this and oust the Lib Dems

mkpdavies · 11-05-2006, 09:22 PM

You can do what you want anyway can't you? If you wanted to advocate communism, I think they would let you, as long as your number priority was getting out of the EU.

McUkip man · 11-05-2006, 09:33 PM

It is all about public perseption though and UKIP central keeps making that Tory one for all of us.

mkpdavies · 11-05-2006, 09:36 PM

Yeah I know, the national image is screwy for us at the moment.

I actually undertand what they were trying to do, but they overcooked it and it did us no real favours in the end.

New leadership soon, so I guess it's wait and see, if we are going to get another helping of gruel or a steak dinner.

McUkip man · 11-05-2006, 09:41 PM

What we need is a leader who has never been a member of any other political party before, only UKIP.

Colin McNamee · 28-05-2006, 11:58 AM

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What we need is a leader who has never been a member of any other political party before, only UKIP

You still reading the Beano :wink:

What we need is a Leader who leads !

McUkip man · 28-05-2006, 01:36 PM

You may be missing my point. There is no point having a leader who leads if he continues to do so under a blue (tory) flag. We need one who will do so under a purple (UKIP) one. Up to this point our succesive ex tory leaders have been unable or unwilling to make that break in representing UKIP thinking and associations at both a party and public level.

I like most people in the country have no interest in an alternative tory party.

David Holland · 28-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by McUkip man

I like most people in the country have no interest in an alternative tory party.

I agree, I think all 3 parties have had failure, therefore we need a new party.

Niall Warry · 10-06-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by David Holland

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Originally Posted by McUkip man

I like most people in the country have no interest in an alternative tory party.

I agree, I think all 3 parties have had failure, therefore we need a new party.

You may not be interested in a revamped Tory party but I think thte voter will be. Our job in UKIP is to lead the way out of the EU and be grateful that the sinners will repent as they surely will in time.

adrianwainer · 10-06-2006, 08:22 PM

Britannist wrote

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I agree that UKIP must try to do more about promoting its range of policies on other issues (which alot of the press/media likes to ignore).

Nevertheless, it's a bit difficult with the name of the party and the logo. Many voters think UKIP is closely connected to the EU issue and would be surprised it has other views.

It's a bit like if the Green Party started a major policy drive on the devolution issue (not an issue with which it is closely associated). Voters would be surprised because they expect - with a name like 'Green' - for the Green Party to stick to environmental issues only. It's party name 'boxes it in'.

It's time for UKIP to break free from the 'one issue label'. Campbell's Fiberal 'Dimoprats' are a one-issue party - their fanatical support for the EU is all that they really stand for. But they have tried to disguise this fact by talking about other things.

UKIP must have a name change as a matter of some urgency. This would be the first step of it (UKIP) breaking free from the one-issue label its opponents try to stick on it.

UKIP has many other issues (not so closely connected to the anti-EU campaign) to campaign on which unite its membership - opposition to ID cards being one. The policy of promoting referendum as a way of the nation deciding key issues (like they do in Switzerland) is another).

There are so many other policy areas upon which UKIP could agree on internally and then campaign on - opposition to speed cameras, opposition to any building on the Green Belt, opposition to higher tax and waste in the public sector.

And then there's energy bills going up and exorbitant council tax demands. Issues the electorate are rightly angry about. Issues ripe for UKIP to take up to use as a stick to beat this horrid europhile government with.

The list of issues abandoned by the pro-EU political establishment (or deliberately avoided by them in the first place) which UKIP could now take up is endless.

Brittanist I agree with your argument there and I am 100% behind you, except in respect of the name change, I have nothing ideologically against a name change but at least people have heard about UKIP whereas if the name of the party was changed, one would have to go to a lot of effort to build any sort of awareness of the Party under the new name, so I think the name should be left as it is and I would argue the same goes for the logo in that whilst the logo of the Party might not be as well known as the name of the Party, changeing the logo would in my view just be an un-necessary expense and effort which would achieve little.

Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

11-05-2006, 09:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
McUkip man Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Shetland Posts: 360	I guess you would need to understand the mentality of the people here. To put it simply they are not interested in a party that they persieve is having its strings pulled by a southern membership. By southern I mean south of Shetland. They want someone to represent them as oppossed to a party line. Whats the piont of finding out their views if they oppose a centrally dictated one? are we supposed to put the party line first. The party is making so many central party lines there is no room for the veiws of our actual constituents that we are supposed to represent. By talking to the people a Shetland party is the only thing that could deliver this and oust the Lib Dems __________________ Born a free patriot die a free rebel

11-05-2006, 09:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,183 Party: Libertarian Party	You can do what you want anyway can't you? If you wanted to advocate communism, I think they would let you, as long as your number priority was getting out of the EU. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

11-05-2006, 09:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
McUkip man Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Shetland Posts: 360	It is all about public perseption though and UKIP central keeps making that Tory one for all of us. __________________ Born a free patriot die a free rebel

11-05-2006, 09:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,183 Party: Libertarian Party	Yeah I know, the national image is screwy for us at the moment. I actually undertand what they were trying to do, but they overcooked it and it did us no real favours in the end. New leadership soon, so I guess it's wait and see, if we are going to get another helping of gruel or a steak dinner. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

11-05-2006, 09:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
McUkip man Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Shetland Posts: 360	What we need is a leader who has never been a member of any other political party before, only UKIP. __________________ Born a free patriot die a free rebel

28-05-2006, 01:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
McUkip man Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Shetland Posts: 360	You may be missing my point. There is no point having a leader who leads if he continues to do so under a blue (tory) flag. We need one who will do so under a purple (UKIP) one. Up to this point our succesive ex tory leaders have been unable or unwilling to make that break in representing UKIP thinking and associations at both a party and public level. I like most people in the country have no interest in an alternative tory party. __________________ Born a free patriot die a free rebel

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