C_steam

There have been a number of posts here of late of a particularly 'blunt' nature regarding activiss attitudes to the current leadership. There have been other posts enquiring why certain members of the NEC do X, Y, or Z.

More posts exist on why does UKIP do this or that, and who pays for what.

Please understand what is going on. There will shortly be a leadership election. Ideally, this will be a no-contest with the designated individual sliding easily INTO phpbb_place. UKIP can then slumber on. OF course, the situation may be there are challengers - in which case hustings may be held, probably in out of the way places on a wet wednesday morning, or similar.

The leadership KNOW the grass roots want an effective, broad based party, so they go and park their tanks on the tories lawn and make a big noise about being called racist by the tories. Effectively, once again showing the party to be a tory pressure group.

Those who are viewed as 'most dangerous' on the NEC are being squeezed. Those who call for a full independant account ofthe party are being squeezed. The next step is to hold these people up for public ridicule - it will happen.

Understand this - the current objective is to p*** those people off who care most about the effective future of this party, so you all jack it in. When riled, they will actually tell you this, the evidence is on this forum.

Stay with it. Don't deviate. Don't let them win - this is truly a battle we are in. They have been found out, and they are frightened.

So - ignore those posts which are designed to do down our party and our activists and our grass roots. It'll get you no where arguing against the likes of Denny and co.

I give you this from GLW (love him or loathe him, he is very capable of making accurate and informed comment)
We must get the party back to its grass roots.

Intbel

That might be interesting .. it may even be useful.
Yes .. it may be useful. If there is no thing amiss then all is well ... if there is something amiss ... then it can be sorted and then ... all will be well.What is there to criticise - initiative?
Kingscott ... so far he doesn't appear to understand what his role is, in my opinion.
She will :wink: Hmmm .. some credit is due. Canna dismiss all o' them equally, methinks.I rather like the guy. Of his qualifications/skills/aptitudesI know nothing.Now that is a most sensible statement.

B.A.Ware

Excellent statement C_Steam

Hartlepool

Perfect C_steam,just perfect.

soundasapound

[quote]I give you this from GLW (love him or loathe him, he is very capable of making accurate and informed comment)
Hmm... maybe before you quote GLW's views on Andrew Smith 'resignation', you might want to check whether his views maybe considered slanderous/libellous. While GLW may think his comments are informed, i dont think the insinuation that Andrew Smith has something to hide, would be considered fair comment, more of a slur. Besides, surely it is the party who should be imparting any accounting issues to the members?

By giving substance to unsubstantiated rumours (please give me facts, not malicious gossip, its so much more helpful), you are fuelling a rumour mill, which may be damaging reputations of those involved and linked by implication. Or maybe people with more time on their hands and conspiracy theories in their heads have their own agendas to push...

GROW UP KIDS! :roll:

Bluemerle

Well said C_Steam.

Johnny Hates Jazz

Well said steam

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On the button C_Steam.

brian lee

C_steam wroteI have been a member of UKIP since 1994 and I never thought of it as grass roots based. More your centralised dictatorship type of organisation. I suppose that is inevitable, given the way the Party is structured, the lack of activists and the lack of a non-political secretariat.

When there were only a few of us, Sked's Secretary in the Office said, "if you want a branch, you start it." She sent me a list of people who were supposed to be members, told me to call myself the Chairman, and let me get on with it. There were no rules and nobody to tell me what to.

If you want grass roots you take the basics of UKIP and adopt them to suit your own local circumstances. It is easy to keep your own house in order but the structure doesn't let the grass roots influence the top. Even the Conference which is supposed to be the place to have your annual shout is run mainly as a rally, and any motions are always handled so badly, one never gets a really satisfactory result. You are not allowed organisational motions as these are supposed to be dealt with at the spring business meeting. This is also structured to prevent motions being put.

The main problem is that if there is someone at the top who understands the mechanics and how much it costs to have a really good organisation, he/she has insufficient influence to bring it about. They always underestimate by factor of a least five, how many really good people you need, working full time, to run and service the party and particularly the fighting of elections. The grass roots can't do much about that except try to work round it.

Kelby

No, it is not effective because UKIP don't really have the clout to maintain the party as a pressure group against The Conservatives. Insults and abuse is hardly pressure. You need to get back to grass roots and start playing an active role in politics as an alternative party to the mainstream parties and the ghastly BNP. Pull your socks up UKIP!