Question I need the answers too

douglas denny · 22-04-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

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And, Mr Denny, why the hell should we trust who you call the "UKIP directors" when they've got plenty of past form when it comes to squandering money?

Specific evidence please - preferably written - about "squandering money". That is another off-the-cuff allegation fondly but totally erroneously believed by some of the grizzlers on this forum.

Glad to hear it Douglas. By the way, why did our treasurer resign?

Probably for several reasons; some of which are personal. The straw which broke the camel's back was .............names deleted on second thoughts ..... at the last NEC meeting making wholely unwarranted, inappropriate, wrongful in content and insulting comments about the treasurer's work.

It is a tradgedy I bitterly regret as Andrew was as solid a rock as you are likely to find anywhere. He was without doubt a first-class treasurer. The party is going to have difficult times ahead if it does not find someone who can do at least half as good as he did.
I am happy to go too as PS now, without having him behind the NEC as our anchor.

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douglas denny · 22-04-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

The 'Lechlade group' however,is of little consequence to the 18000 members - who are not interested in what they do at all; the only people interested in that are those few in it.

"Intbel"
[color=darkblue]As few are aware of the Lechlade group - how can you know they are disinterested? Or interested?

Numbers.

How many in LG? Twenty? fifty?
How many in UKIP? - 18000.
How many read this forum which is the sounding board of the LG? Twenty? fifty? a hundred?
How many members of UKIP are likely to read this forum? - unknown, but as someone mentioned not many ordinary members seem to know about the LG so it can't be many.

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I am sure if more folks were aware of it there would be far more folks interested in it.

You are probably right.

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I asume you have no interest in the RFBAA ?

No idea what it is.

The Right Foolish Bloody Awful Association perhaps?

Douglas.
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C_steam · 22-04-2006, 12:48 PM

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It is a tradgedy I bitterly regret as Andrew was as solid a rock as you are likely to find anywhere. He was without doubt a first-class treasurer. The party is going to have difficult times ahead if it does not find someone who can do at least half as good as he did.

Agreed.

Intbel · 22-04-2006, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

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I asume you have no interest in the RFBAA ?

No idea what it is.

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Exactly my point - you have never heard of it - so any assumption I may make about your interest, or lack of interest in it is unfounded.

Same as you claim few are interested in the Lechlade group ...

B.A.Ware · 22-04-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

This site is poison.Much healthier to be out canvassing and leafletting.But of course without candidates all you lot can do is criticise.Were any of you helping fight the S.Staffs delayed election?Having committed a weekend including hotel costs etc I was appalled at the lack of members helping out.You can all do the talk but it is the walk that counts.

Yes I was at the south staffs and also paid my own expenses, the lechlade members on here have also spent hundreds of pounds of their own money organising meetings for members up and down the country, a few of these have spent several thousand pounds at the last GE.
To question our commitment is naive.

B.A.Ware · 22-04-2006, 01:25 PM

Now this is a hard one for me because I’ve always felt for Douglas, thankless task and all that. So it grieves me to find out he is just as bad as the rest of them.

douglas denny wrote

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The heading to the thread is: "Question(s) I need the answers to"

Why do you "need" these answers? What practical use will they be to you beyond idle curiosity?

Do you think as a chairman I should know our finances or if we have a press office or a call centre or who finances us, questions I have been asked after the cash for peerages question.

douglas denny wrote

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The shareholders of a company do not need to know the detail of the company finances beyond the company report at the end of the year - and they are often putting considerable sums of money INTO phpbb_the company on the understanding that the company directors will do the very best to make a profit for them.

You obviously have no idea about business nobody will buy shares in a company that is loosing members and has a negative cash flow, to believe people will put considerable amounts of money INTO phpbb_an investment because the directors are doing their best beggars belief.

douglas denny wrote

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IMO what you need to do is get some candidates INTO phpbb_the elections at Sutton Coalfield. There is no point in a political party if it does not get candidates up for elections.

Have you any idea what you say, I very much doubt it, I organise a meeting every two weeks, I do an agenda, I print out copies of stories off the website, I research information on local issues, I update a website that I have paid for my self, I get involved in Lechlade stuff. As my meetings can have between two and five attendees none of which want to stand I suppose I should get a divorce abandon my children and stand myself.

douglas denny wrote

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In my opinion you do not actually need to know any of this at all to enable you to get on with the job of fighting the EU; it is merely non-useful curiosity or possibly malicious in intent.

Is this not the trouble with people like you, I should just go out there like a good soldier deliver a thousand leaflets and when someone asks I should be the dumb ****** you would like me to be and say I’m only the local chairman how am I supposed to know if we have a press office where it is or who works in it.

I suppose that’s the information for the privileged few

douglas denny wrote

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I find BAware's (and others) contempt for UKIP absolutely disgraceful too.

I have read his submissions for a considerable time now and find nothing positive and nearly all very negative.

I think this is an absolutely disgrace I have gone a mile and a mile more than most for Ukip. Yes I have been negative about a lot of things but this is the time for change, and like the great and good you cannot accept this.

douglas denny wrote

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By his own admission there are NO candidates in his area. WHY NOT? - if this is because there are no elections there - fair enough - (there are none in Chichester this year) if there are elections then his 'performance' as a chairman is not up to scratch and he should resign and let someone else do the job who will get candidates up for election. I have been a 'default' candidate here for years - if there is no one else to stand why doesn't HE stand? That at least is ONE candidate!

Now you have really ****** me off, to think I thought you was hard done by is a failing in my looking for the best in everyone.

So I should resign oh how I wish, do you actually know how many times I wanted to walk away and just spend time with my family. Do you know what it is like to miss your evening meal set up a room with Ukip paraphernalia only to have two people turn up or five at best? Why don’t I resign because I believe if ukip was a structured multi-policied party we just might win one or two seats in 2009

douglas denny wrote

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It is up to HIM to change opinions in HIS area by campaigning - not the Leadership's. The Leadership can only give overall guidance.

Douglas.

This is naivety at best, yes I can campaign on infill hosing but as soon as I say Ukip they say Tory protest party, single issue. Yes I can get my few members to fight a cause in a Tory stronghold, ask Aardvark why he stands as an independent at locals, you might just learn something.

Douglas I have probably given more than the average, you have managed to **** me off for no other reason than have had the audacity to ask a few questions, as a member and a chairman I believe I should have answers for them, you seem to think I have this hidden agenda I have not.

Hartlepool · 22-04-2006, 02:31 PM

Denny said..."I am happy to go to as PS now,...."

You, no doubt, have just made a lot of Members happy with this statement Denny.

We will see how good your word is on this,soon I hope.

Alex McKee · 22-04-2006, 03:34 PM

Well what little returning goodwill I had for this party just went out the window. :x

Millennium3 · 22-04-2006, 04:57 PM

I was out most of the day Thursday and a good part of Friday leafleting. I did not do it because I believed that UKIP had anything to say or had any hope of winning, but because the candidate is a personal friend.

Most of the questions asked on this forum are, I believe, asked because many of the members who post here have, virtually, lost all faith that those who are leading have any idea how they are going to achieve the Party’s primary objective, or if they do and their action represents that idea, that they are living in cloud cuckoo land.

My membership runs out soon - I will not renew until the leadership can provide a clear and convincing strategy for achieving their aims [keep in mind that only between 2-4% believe leaving the EU is currently of high priority so, unless my reasoning faculties have completely deserted me, this demands other good, strongly advanced, policies - although not necessarily all encompassing].

I do not expect to rejoin until the Party has a new leader and this leader is not from the current ruling elite, because it seems they are out of their depths and are too arrogant to admit it by asking the members to pool their skills and abilities to come up with a plan acceptable to, if not all, the vast majority.

SponPlague · 22-04-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by michael mcgough

You can all do the talk but it is the walk that counts.

Yeah, right - care to post a picccie or two :?:

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22-04-2006, 02:31 PM	#47 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,817 Party: Popular Democrats	Denny said..."I am happy to go to as PS now,...." You, no doubt, have just made a lot of Members happy with this statement Denny. We will see how good your word is on this,soon I hope.

22-04-2006, 03:34 PM	#48 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Well what little returning goodwill I had for this party just went out the window. :x

22-04-2006, 04:57 PM	#49 (permalink)
Millennium3 Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,615	I was out most of the day Thursday and a good part of Friday leafleting. I did not do it because I believed that UKIP had anything to say or had any hope of winning, but because the candidate is a personal friend. Most of the questions asked on this forum are, I believe, asked because many of the members who post here have, virtually, lost all faith that those who are leading have any idea how they are going to achieve the Party’s primary objective, or if they do and their action represents that idea, that they are living in cloud cuckoo land. My membership runs out soon - I will not renew until the leadership can provide a clear and convincing strategy for achieving their aims [keep in mind that only between 2-4% believe leaving the EU is currently of high priority so, unless my reasoning faculties have completely deserted me, this demands other good, strongly advanced, policies - although not necessarily all encompassing]. I do not expect to rejoin until the Party has a new leader and this leader is not from the current ruling elite, because it seems they are out of their depths and are too arrogant to admit it by asking the members to pool their skills and abilities to come up with a plan acceptable to, if not all, the vast majority.