douglas denny

But you get it straight ! And you don't like the message do you !

Do you know how many of you guys are grizzling on this forum?

There are about a dozen of you constantly moaning about how awful UKIP is in such nit-picking detail it amazes me how you can find the time to be bothered !

Do you know how many have bothered to vote in the straw poll about Petrina for Leader ... I'll tell you .. 57 ..which is about the number who are likely to be visiting this forum on a regular basis to express thier views.

I can readily say to you .......

If you find UKIP so bad. If you think the Leadership is so distressingly terrible and duplicitous. If you think we in the "senior" positions are all a "cabal" working to keep the poor ignorant membership in the dark. If you think we are so rotten to the core that we all deperately need replacing ........

Then time for you to get out of UKIP and go moan somewhere else ! I donj't think 57 ex-members will make much difference to the 18,000 rest of us who are hard working and trying our best to get Britain OUT of the EU.

Douglas.
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Alex McKee

I find Douglas' contempt for a UKIP Chairman, B.A.Ware, absolutely disgraceful. He is putting time, effort and money INTO phpbb_UKIP. Of course he needs and deserves to know certain things. As for the Business meeting, well if it were held - as per constitution - with the conference then it would have been fine.

douglas denny

I find BAware's (and others) contempt for UKIP absolutely disgraceful too.

I have read his submissions for a considerable time now and find nothing positive and nearly all very negative.

By his own admission there are NO candidates in his area. WHY NOT? - if this is because there are no elections there - fair enough - (there are none in Chichester this year) if there are elections then his 'performance' as a chairman is not up to scratch and he should resign and let someone else do the job who will get candidates up for election. I have been a 'default' candidate here for years - if there is no one else to stand why doesn't HE stand? That at least is ONE candidate!

he also wrote:



It is up to HIM to change opinions in HIS area by campaigning - not the Leadership's. The Leadership can only give overall guidance.

Douglas.
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douglas denny

Not so incredible if you learn the facts about how the EU and MEP's function.

I have been trying to tell you people on this forum for a long time now (and no one seems to grasp the essentials) that the MEP's once they are elected might in a sense be operating on the moon - they are effectively cut-off from UKIP except by their moral allegience to the party that put them there.

Their function in the strict sense is to further the aims of the EU and to represent the 'citizens' of their region who elected them.

THEY ARE NOT IN PLACE AS MEP'S TO FURTHER A POLITICAL PARTY.

This means any work they do for a political party is VOLUNTARY.

Any money which they give to a political party must be thier own monies from their salary. They cannot give money from their MEP's monies to a political party.

Now I know this seems difficult to grasp - it seems an anomaly for members of UKIP who by definition want OUT of the EU and want their MEP's to work for precisely that ... but that is the way the EU and the MEP's function in this Alice in Wonderland new political system you are all so honoured to be a part of .......

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mkpdavies

Acceptable for a tiny little bunch of amateurs.

Not acceptable for a party pertaining to be pushing for mainstream credibility.

I wouldn't care so much if we were seeing reasonable amounts of releases, showing the public UKIP give a toss about their lives.

I think this party needs some people with a bit more drive and ambition at the top. Then we might stop losing members and be able to get more than the pathetic amount of candiates standing in council elections.

You can blame and berate individual chairman all you like, but most people in the real world will hold the leadership accountable. Bad management always blame their staff, but when the party as a whole can only muster less than 400 candidate, you know there are problems at the top.

I still can't work out if it is sheer incomptence and pig headedness, or something more sinister. All I do know, is until this party get's some ambition in at the top, the rest of the party is unlikely to go any further and thus we will be stuck in the EU.

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michael mcgough

This site is poison.Much healthier to be out canvassing and leafletting.But of course without candidates all you lot can do is criticise.Were any of you helping fight the S.Staffs delayed election?Having committed a weekend including hotel costs etc I was appalled at the lack of members helping out.You can all do the talk but it is the walk that counts.

Alex McKee

Erm, yes. A number of them were, IIRC.
And we're standing candidates and I'm leafletting etc.

Alex McKee

Well then that needs addressing.

I am aware that in the dry world of technicality, this is indeed the case. However, they should either a: treat that with the contempt it deserves, b: tell 'em to stuff it, Sinn Fein style, c: comply and go beyond the course and push for massive public education on the EU pros and cons. Dodge the rules or beat them at their own game.

If this is not possible then I think we should not stand for election to the EU parliament at all. You're saying, effectively, that they cannot do anything useful at all. So what good are they? Just more leeches on the public purse.

Most are quite aware of this. So what's the problem? Hire researchers to help them combat the flow of directives from the EU by researching and using the few powers the EU parliament might have to do it. Actually do some good.

1. It is indeed an anomaly.
2. They said they would work to get us out: that's part of the reason I voted for them.
3. What do you mean by "new political system you are all so honoured to be a part of ...."?

Rgds,

Alex

douglas denny

I think it IS being addressed. Their allegience to UKIP and the cause is unquestioned, (except by some on this forum it seems).

Can you not see that is what our MEP's are doing? (or rather trying to do) --- ?
They are however, very heavily constrained in exactly what they can do - especially on the financial side. Believe me they do do what they can do.

What worries me is that if things really get out of hand some might take it INTO phpbb_their heads to deal with the EU not Sinn Fein style but IRA style.

Me too. Be assured they are working to get us out -- no question about that.


Sarcasm old boy .....

Douglas.
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douglas denny

This point has been addressed ad nauseum.
The business meeting could not be held with the conference 'as per the constitution' because the government changed the rules about declaration of finances. We had to comply and the meeting was changed accordingly. We have to comply with the law above and beyond our constitution. This has been mentioned by Petrina somewhere in another thread - she was chairman of the NEC at the time. Ask her for the details if you are still unhappy with this point.
The other red herring is the declaration about the business meeting - it was indeed advertised in an Independence News before the meeting.

Douglas.
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