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Old 10-04-2006, 10:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The party said it could not sue the Tories for slander because it would have to prove damages - and the Tory leader's outburst had benefited Ukip.

But it was going to be impossible to prove damages because "on the contrary, Ukip has gained by this".
I'm sure it's not intended to mean this, but the above quote reads like UKIP were going to sue the Conservatives for calling them racists, but decided not to once they realised that they'd benefitted from it. How does a political party like UKIP 'benefit' from being labelled racists?!
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Old 10-04-2006, 11:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Tory officials hope that he can turn the row to his advantage by using it to demonstrate that the party is changing under his leadership and moving away from extreme policy stances on issues like Europe.
Just how many votes does Cameroon want to lose?

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How does a political party like UKIP 'benefit' from being labelled racists?!
We benefitted from Tory embarrassment and alienation of their supporters who, like true solcialists, dont have a party to vote for.
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:09 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The party said it could not sue the Tories for slander because it would have to prove damages - and the Tory leader's outburst had benefited Ukip.

But it was going to be impossible to prove damages because "on the contrary, Ukip has gained by this".
I'm sure it's not intended to mean this, but the above quote reads like UKIP were going to sue the Conservatives for calling them racists, but decided not to once they realised that they'd benefitted from it. How does a political party like UKIP 'benefit' from being labelled racists?!
UKIP benefits from being seen as the injured party in a debacle in which (once again) the grubby little pipsqueak Cameron has made a fool of himself, driving his own members INTO phpbb_our hands.

In libel - and this would have been libel rather than slander because it was transmitted on radio - thers is no need to prove injury to win damages. However it was unlikely to prove a 'goer' for reasons given personally and informally to me by a friend who is a libel barrister.

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I very highly doubt (that a claim would succeed). Firstly, the criticism is not directed against named or identifiable individuals, secondly, it is really comment rather than an allegation of fact.

Suing over political libels (as opposed to allegations of criminality) is neither wise nor especially commendable!
You interest me Dan. Are you claiming to be a UKIP supporter or are you just a Tory whinger?
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:08 PM   #14 (permalink)
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You interest me Dan. Are you claiming to be a UKIP supporter or are you just a Tory whinger?
I don't really think I'm either. I'm just someone who enjoys discussing politics, and thoroughly enjoy the views expressed on this forum. I've voted UKIP in the past and I've voted Conservative in the past, but I'm not a member of any party.

I'm interested in the growth of new or small political parties, which is why I follow the fortunes of UKIP closely. I support some of their policies, but not all. The same goes for quite a few other parties too! But what I don't agree with is the idea that all parties other than UKIP are idiotic. Cameron may not be your cup of tea, but isn't interesting to see the extent to which he can 'turn around' the Conservatives? If you're a UKIP party member, isn't Cameron the best thing that could have possible happened? I can't see UKIP being given these sorts of opportunities to exploit if a Liam Fox type character had been elected leader.
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The real reason UKIP is stymied is that if it SUed on the closet racists matter the Tories would at once produce the photo of Farage secretly meeting Deavin and Lecomber of the BNP and the all his contradictory explanations for that.Its all in Private Eye about 1998. Throw in the fact that Farages father was a NF member and so was his agent in Thanet North one Martyn Heale and the Tories would welcome a legal fight.
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The real reason UKIP is stymied is that if it SUed on the closet racists matter the Tories would at once produce the photo of Farage secretly meeting Deavin and Lecomber of the BNP and the all his contradictory explanations for that.Its all in Private Eye about 1998. Throw in the fact that Farages father was a NF member and so was his agent in Thanet North one Martyn Heale and the Tories would welcome a legal fight.
Not surprising that this slime above is posted by an anonymous coward.

What possible relevance have the politics of Nigel Farage's father to the matter in hand?

Cameron belongs to a party one of whose MPs, the late Alan Clark, stated 'I am a Nazi'. A Tory peer, still a member of the party proclaimed 'I am a racist'.

Should we take it then that Mr Cameron is by association a Nazi and a racist and that were I to describe any Tory in those terms he would be unable to sue because of 'guilt by assocation'

I daresay even the ID 'resigned member' is a lie.
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The real reason UKIP is stymied is that if it SUed on the closet racists matter the Tories would at once produce the photo of Farage secretly meeting Deavin and Lecomber of the BNP and the all his contradictory explanations for that.Its all in Private Eye about 1998. Throw in the fact that Farages father was a NF member and so was his agent in Thanet North one Martyn Heale and the Tories would welcome a legal fight.
Does the photo even exist ? I am surprised that it is not on the net.

I think that there are probably a lot more ex Lib Dems in UKIP than ex BNP/ex NF. Does that mean that UKIP is a Lib Dem front ?
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