marsipan

Putting someone in front of the cameras because they have a black face is the worse thing you could have done. That smacks of the tokenism that the other parties cringingly practice.

As for the tank. Well, that was immaturity. It would appear to be sort of a game to some.

Far better to take the tories to task over their obsession with getting more ethnic minority MPs - which indirectly discriminates against people if they are white.

Now that's racist.

Lawrie Boxall

Glad you agree about the tank but I think people have worried about tokenism and let it cloud their judgement - they should be worrying about UKIPs reputation and its ability to attract votes.

Given the circumstances of the Tory slur, i.e about UKIP members being closet racists, it would have been the natural, direct and appropriate response to counter Cameron's accusation with some black faces. No-one could complain about tokenism and expect to be taken seriously when a party has been insulted in this way. A sensible UKIP leadership would have made that absolutely clear to the media that it had no choice given Cameron's slur and the Tory defence of it.

The added benefit would be that this guy Delroy Young is a UKIP Parliamentary Candidate, an NEC member who came from nowhere to second behind Nigel in the recent election, a good public speaker and very good in front of camera.

UKIP leadership should be promoting talent wherever it finds it. It is not as though the party is blessed with good performers.

Why doesn't UKIP play to its strengths instead of highlighting its weaknesses?

Millennium3

UKIP does seem to be a rudderless ship at the moment. However, the minutes of the last Lechlade meeting did infer that nothing was going to be developed on the policy front, with regard to the apparent initiatives outlined by NF and DCB just before the NEC vote, until after the new leader has been elected.

If this is the case there is going to be a mighty vacuum in the meantime.

marsipan

...and if there are cries of homophobia put someone who is obviously gay in front of the cameras... Too Christain - let's get a turban wearing member on the 6 0'clock news...where does it all end? If a candidate is good enough they should be at the forefront anyway and not wheeled out to make a point.
Do you think the public are so gullible?

It is the other parties' eagerness to please the race industry by discriminating in favour of minorities (and thus against 'whites') that should be attacked with vigour and passion. That is what people see and will understand...but if the best you can do is deny and drive a tank there really is little hope.

Mark Croucher

The information was circulated last week. I can't force people to use it.

Rgds

Mark

Colin McNamee

Excellent.

I'm in marketing/PR so appreciate your comment. Was this sent to Andrew Marr / the Sunday programme. ? Can you confirm?

Now, what is Andrew Marr's e-mail address? :wink:

Resigned Member

Battens statement is correct but not complete but he of course left the NEC when Farage and Holmes threatened legal action.He therefore was not around when Farage secretly met and was photographed with the BNP leaders.The Tories throw these racist accusations around because they have got the damning photo of Farage which he then lied about to the NEC and gave unbelievable reasons for in legal documents. Its all in Private Eye and Booker has it all. Its also the reason Farage will not stand for leader.Thats why UKIP backed down smartly and dont forget Croucher according to the national press retails untruths anyway. How discredited can you get.

Tom Wilde

Although I have never met any of the individuals involved, it is blindingly obvious from the publicly-available facts that the whole 1997 incident with the photo was a set-up staged by the BNP as a piece of dirty tricks.

Who had the opportunity? The BNP, obviously. Their freshly-uncovered infiltrator Mark Deavin had asked Farage to meet him, so the BNP plainly knew where and when the meeting would take place and could arrange for their thug-in-chief Tony Lecomber to make an unscheduled appearance at the right moment for a photo.

Who took the photo and mailed it to the Times?. The BNP, obviously. As neither Deavin nor Lecomber are exactly household names and Farage would have been fairly unknown back then as well, plainly this must have been accompanied by some sort of explanatory note. Who other than the BNP could have identified the folks in the pic?

Who stood to benefit?. The BNP, obviously. The whole point of having Sked's student Deavin infiltrate UKIP was to damage the party and remove it as a moderate rival for eurosceptic votes. Once Deavin was exposed, he moved rapidly to make one last piece of mischief, sowing distrust among the UKIP leadership with this staged photo. Farage was an innocent fall-guy.

So who are you, Resigned Member, so anxious to excavate this ancient scandal? Are you really a resigned UKIP member, or are you one of the BNP team who set this up in the first place? Just asking.

David Holland

Surely a picture of a UKIP politician meeting a top member of the BNP is meaningless ? It would be very easy for someone to discredit UKIP like that.
Firstly using a fake name or a friend who has no known connection to the BNP a BNP activist could join UKIP (it is impossible to check that John Smith of 11 x avenue is not a BNP alias). Then election time he phones up MEP x and says I would like to help you canvass because I think where you are standing is a good place for us to target (there are few UKIP members who think this - just not the NEC). MEP x says sure lets meet on Saturday.
BNP activist and "friend" turn up. MEP x shakes friend's hand on meeting him - incriminating photo.

Easily done proves nothing.

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David Holland

However despite a google search I can not find any images.
http://images.google.co.uk/images?sv...NP&btnG=Search

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