Brothel-visit UKIP Euro MP

UkipScot · 13-03-2006, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

The guideline is simple - whatever consenting adults do in private, if it harms none other, is no person's business but their own. Prostitution falls INTO phpbb_that category.

Wrong.
It is necessary to restrain the individual, as the right of an individual, in any community, to do what he pleases, is incompatible with the interests of the whole. Where there is no law, but every man does what is right in his own eyes, there is the least of real liberty. Experience has shown the importance of definiteness in the law.

Tom Wilde · 13-03-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UkipScot

It is necessary to restrain the individual, as the right of an individual, in any community, to do what he pleases, is incompatible with the interests of the whole.

But if what I do doesn't affect anyone else at all, then surely it can't be "incompatible with the interests of the whole", however you interpret those? In such a case, on what grounds would you justify restraining the individual?

Similarly, if whatever a youthful G. Bloom and a prostitute freely agreed to jointly do didn't affect anybody else, then surely that too would have no impact on "the interests of the whole"?

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Originally Posted by UkipScot

Where there is no law, but every man does what is right in his own eyes, there is the least of real liberty.

True, entirely. The purpose of the law is to stop every man from doing what might be "incompatible with the interests of the whole". But once the law has secured that, why should the law interfere any further in our choices?

Intbel · 13-03-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

But once the law has secured that, why should the law interfere any further in our choices?

No reason .. . except for the lawmakers own desire for even more control and of course, there are always these

Mikeuk · 13-03-2006, 07:12 PM

Of course the 'Sex Trade' harms people other than the participants. If your street was full of used condoms, syringes etc you would know all about it.

However you are never going to put a stop to The Oldest Profession so pious platitudes are a total waste of time. We need to study the ways in which other countries like Germany seem to have effectively corralled this nuisance and allowed people to get on with whatever they want to do with a minimum of disruption to others.

Intbel · 13-03-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

If your street was full of used condoms, syringes etc you would know all about it.

Sex trade, conducted indoors in privacy, does not result in these things.
Methinks you exaggerate slightly?

mkpdavies · 13-03-2006, 07:23 PM

Indeed, it is a good reason for legalising it! When legalised, it can therefore be better regulated and things like that discouraged!

Not sure you can ever fully regulate that industry though!

Mikeuk · 13-03-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

If your street was full of used condoms, syringes etc you would know all about it.

Sex trade, conducted indoors in privacy, does not result in these things.

Probably not, but it can still be very disruptive.

About 25 years ago the tarts in Southampton started to appear in the windows of houses in a couple of streets, Amsterdam style. One night my then girlfriend said she'd like to take a look at it so I said OK.

To my horror I found we had joined a slow-moving motorcade crawling down Derby Road. My little MGB looked out of place amid all the Rover 3 litres and other 'old men's cars' with elderly guys desperately eyeing up the talent while trying to drive at the same time.

There were still families living in this ghastly street. Imagine the disruption. A few months later the police put the mockers on the whole thing.

You need to create some kind of quarantined precinct for these activities.

Intbel · 13-03-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

About 25 years ago the tarts in Southampton started to appear in the windows of houses in a couple of streets, Amsterdam style. One night my then girlfriend said she'd like to take a look at it so I said OK.

To my horror I found we had joined a slow-moving motorcade crawling down Derby Road. My little MGB looked out of place amid all the Rover 3 litres and other 'old men's cars' with elderly guys desperately eyeing up the talent while trying to drive at the same time.

There were still families living in this ghastly street. Imagine the disruption. A few months later the police put the mockers on the whole thing.

You need to create some kind of quarantined precinct for these activities.

See? The law can successfully intervene when necessary.
My bro' used to live in Derby Road so I know of its reputation.
Quarrantined precincts sound fine, I'd support those.

Biscuitman · 14-03-2006, 10:14 AM

http://euobserver.com/?aid=21120&rk=1

Commission scraps World Cup anti-prostitution plan

14.03.2006 - 09:48 CET | By Helena Spongenberg

The European Commission has scrapped a visa-toughening plan aimed at preventing forced prostitution during the World Cup in Germany later this year.

Justice commissioner Franco Frattini on Monday (13 March) said he would not propose visa reintroduction for any country and said he apologised if his views had been "misunderstood," reports Reuters news agency.

Female members of the European Parliament had criticised the plan for only being directed towards women and not towards the men buying sex, according to Danish DR online news.

Last week Mr Frattini suggested that visa requirements should be re-introduced for all non-EU citizens travelling to Germany for this summer's football world cup, especially from Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America.

The move came as a response to outcries from NGOs and politicians about an expected boom of forced prostitution during the sports event.

Estimations of the total number of women and girls that may be brought to Germany for sexual purposes vary from 40,000 to 100,000.

Mr Frattini will now suggest special hotlines in many languages for women forced INTO phpbb_prostitution.

Prostitution is legal in Germany in certain city zones, but with thousands of football fans attending the world cup, German cities face up to a 30 percent increase in the sex trade during the event, NGOs have reported.

In Berlin, within walking distance from the main football arena, a "super brothel" with 70 rooms for 600 daily customers has been built, and in Dortmund and Cologne so-called "performance boxes" - mobile units equipped with snacks and condom vending machines, toilets, alarms and emergency exits - have been installed.

More than 20 campaigns will be launched this year across Germany to boost awareness of forced prostitution.

David Holland · 15-03-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BASILDON BOY

Wow - so good ole foot-in-mouth-Godfrey is actually doing us all a favour by opening up a debate on the pros and cons of prostitution!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - can we have normal people on the next selection list for MEP candidates!

Seconded - let the other parties have the wierdos. (Mark Oaten etc)

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14-03-2006, 10:14 AM	#39 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	http://euobserver.com/?aid=21120&rk=1 Commission scraps World Cup anti-prostitution plan 14.03.2006 - 09:48 CET \| By Helena Spongenberg The European Commission has scrapped a visa-toughening plan aimed at preventing forced prostitution during the World Cup in Germany later this year. Justice commissioner Franco Frattini on Monday (13 March) said he would not propose visa reintroduction for any country and said he apologised if his views had been "misunderstood," reports Reuters news agency. Female members of the European Parliament had criticised the plan for only being directed towards women and not towards the men buying sex, according to Danish DR online news. Last week Mr Frattini suggested that visa requirements should be re-introduced for all non-EU citizens travelling to Germany for this summer's football world cup, especially from Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America. The move came as a response to outcries from NGOs and politicians about an expected boom of forced prostitution during the sports event. Estimations of the total number of women and girls that may be brought to Germany for sexual purposes vary from 40,000 to 100,000. Mr Frattini will now suggest special hotlines in many languages for women forced INTO phpbb_prostitution. Prostitution is legal in Germany in certain city zones, but with thousands of football fans attending the world cup, German cities face up to a 30 percent increase in the sex trade during the event, NGOs have reported. In Berlin, within walking distance from the main football arena, a "super brothel" with 70 rooms for 600 daily customers has been built, and in Dortmund and Cologne so-called "performance boxes" - mobile units equipped with snacks and condom vending machines, toilets, alarms and emergency exits - have been installed. More than 20 campaigns will be launched this year across Germany to boost awareness of forced prostitution. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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13-03-2006, 07:12 PM	#34 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,650 Party: Conservatives	Of course the 'Sex Trade' harms people other than the participants. If your street was full of used condoms, syringes etc you would know all about it. However you are never going to put a stop to The Oldest Profession so pious platitudes are a total waste of time. We need to study the ways in which other countries like Germany seem to have effectively corralled this nuisance and allowed people to get on with whatever they want to do with a minimum of disruption to others.