Intbel

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Harrism

So how do you expect them to learn?

If they're inside obveriously they've done something to be there, they've forgotten the law so they must be made to live it out in the strictest possible manner. To me it seems as it could be the politians the judges and the people that chose that he should be there. (the politians chooses who goes to court, the police live it out, the judge chooses the sentance and the people revolt if its a wrong conviction and praise if it is righteous)

Harrism

My point I really can't see is why are you being nice to them. Prison should be a deterrent. Not something which you only describe as being bad. Where's the fear of losing your freedom.

I'm not saying you should do this, but more able bodies in prison have some sort of inteligence, not enough else they wouldn't have been caught. But why not smack them across the back legs everytime I broke the law while inside prison. How quickly would they learn? I'm not saying do it but what I am saying is it feels you need to be more stict with them if they are ever going to learn.

Intbel

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Harrism

I'm going to be honest here, we have the rules.

I'm not joking when I say the 10 commandments, who really can make any real moral objection to them? Be honest with me?

I think my father was wise when he said every law was and should be a derivative of one of these 10. Then why not say right these are what we stand by and we expect you to do the same, the laws are based on these so remember these rules.

Everyone knows the 10 commandments and if not its logical sense because most of the laws of the country are basicly of one of these both from morals and religious history.

Haven't we always been a nation which has stuck by God because he's always been bigger than you. I don't mean that literally but I mean that as a reality for being moral, your attempting to be bigger than God if you try breaking these rules - sounds so much better, and you aren't lieing. (sorry I am slightly religious but I do let things like this apply themselves)

Harrism

It also brings some moral and meaning back INTO phpbb_people's lives. These are rules society should stand on. If you know the codes of practise a country lives by you can come to respect it.

Harrism

All I'm trying to say here and on these forums is everyone should be fair and be able to make judgements for themselves. 10 Rules, each law is because of this one.

Can someone please disagree with me, it's kinda beginning to drive me bonkers. What would be wrong if your moral princible suddenly became to follow the 10 commandments? Who would you attract and what would you be doing wrong?

History teaches the victor, we've stuck upon these rules and this kind of attitude for centuries!

The British nation is strong we will always stand up for justice and so will the country, we just need some clear basic moral princibles to live by something we can expect from the government. We will gets tiresome these days. And that pretty much sums up Blair's moto, we will.

pity that wasn't used in the last campain, "blair's moto we will" "brown's moto so what are we going to do then?" - someone delete that if its uncomical, I just seemed to find it funny.

Go out on the streets with a clipboard and ask people 'what moral objections do you have following the 10 commandments?' if they say none then reply with 'thankyou' and walk off people will respect you for not taking up much of their time and your letting people become interested in your actions and really listen to the others. If you can't see my point then listen to my idea's, common courtesy gets you a long way, but its not common courtesy to overspeak or act like a rude baffoon. Sorry.

Intbel

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Harrism

but where's the common courtesy?

Harming can be described in many ways, if someone black comes in complaining of name calling, tell him to go out and call the guy names back, if he does something physical then tell him to come back, thats just called quarreling. if they don't come to out of control physical blows they'll find a common interest.

It's life its the way of things, if there's a disagreement problem let them figure a way out. I'll tell you this it'll give greater insight for people to be honest and true. Action should be punished thats the only way I see it for the law.

SGK

I would say it is not imprisonment that is failing to deter people from crime, rather the application of imprisonment by the courts. If a person is not sent to prison for his first, say, 10 minor offences, by the time he is sent down, probably not for long, crime has become his career and - as you say - the odd stint becomes part of the routine.