Is UKIP strong at Universities

WindupMerchant · 02-10-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FuroraCeltica

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Originally Posted by WindupMerchant

It was a joke :shock:

Hence why no offense was taken, believe me, with my glasses on I look like Harry Potter, or so a few drunks in my university town told me

I thought not, but a few liberals did find it objectionable, no surprise there then :roll:

02-10-2005, 03:42 PM

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C_steam · 02-10-2005, 03:46 PM

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but a few liberals did find it objectionable

Liberal?!! Still handing out insults I see.

WindupMerchant · 02-10-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

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but a few liberals did find it objectionable

Liberal?!! Still handing out insults I see.

Sorry, I meant to say Libertarians :roll: Then again maybe not they believe in freedom of Speech and non PC. No wonder the electorate don't understand where UKIP are coming from :roll:

C_steam · 02-10-2005, 04:18 PM

As far as I'm concerned, freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you like to or about anyone.

That way lies anarchy, which certainly isn't a libertarian concept!

WindupMerchant · 02-10-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by C_steam

As far as I'm concerned, freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you like to or about anyone.

That way lies anarchy, which certainly isn't a libertarian concept!

It does mean that, that's why it's called "freedom of speech" :roll:

C_steam · 02-10-2005, 05:41 PM

Probably a good debate to be had here - and to be frank I am not going to say I have the right answer, but I can't accept that freedom of speech means the right of everyone to call or write what they like about anyone WITHOUT some form of repercussion.

Your definition of freedom of speech would mean that the libel and slander laws would need to withdrawn?

Your definition of freedom of speech means someone can stand in a public place and shout 'all ****'s are b*****' or whatever without fear of official recourse?

I don't want to live there.

Alex McKee · 02-10-2005, 06:30 PM

Freedom of speech walks hand in hand with the responsibility to ensure you do not grieveously offend. And of course, at the core of Libertarian thinking, which is being slandered here, is the condition that you may do whatever you please AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT INFRINGE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. Thus, inciting the infringement of the rights of another individual, or any individuals for that matter, would not be at all welcome.

No right thinking person can think that they may say anything and take no responsibility for their words.

Alex

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02-10-2005, 03:42 PM	#52 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	Here's where his postal worker resides http://www.barnowl.co.uk/webcam/ Enjoy Christina

02-10-2005, 04:18 PM	#55 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,803	As far as I'm concerned, freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you like to or about anyone. That way lies anarchy, which certainly isn't a libertarian concept!

02-10-2005, 05:41 PM	#57 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,803	Probably a good debate to be had here - and to be frank I am not going to say I have the right answer, but I can't accept that freedom of speech means the right of everyone to call or write what they like about anyone WITHOUT some form of repercussion. Your definition of freedom of speech would mean that the libel and slander laws would need to withdrawn? Your definition of freedom of speech means someone can stand in a public place and shout 'all **'s are b***' or whatever without fear of official recourse? I don't want to live there.

02-10-2005, 06:30 PM	#58 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Freedom of speech walks hand in hand with the responsibility to ensure you do not grieveously offend. And of course, at the core of Libertarian thinking, which is being slandered here, is the condition that you may do whatever you please AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT INFRINGE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS. Thus, inciting the infringement of the rights of another individual, or any individuals for that matter, would not be at all welcome. No right thinking person can think that they may say anything and take no responsibility for their words. Alex