Let The People Decide Campaign

Percentage · 15-09-2005, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PETER REEVE

Well said Basildon, this referenda is the perfect opportunity for us to be out in our local communities talking and putting the UKIP message to the public – with a purpose.

What purpose? The attainment of signatures from the general public on something they allready have a rock solid view of where UKIP stands-Blair will only have a referendum on his terms,that is fact!

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Originally Posted by PETER REEVE

I am really pleased that this campaign has been started three cheers to our leadership. This is proper grass roots politics and its down to every one of us to get out there and spread the word.

What sycophantic nonsense! Grass roots politics is about offering the people something substantial in terms of sets of policies that effect there day to day lives,the only thing at present you have to offer the people is to repeat like a parrot "withdrawal from EU",by having nothing else to say this will become monotonous & have the reverse effect of turning people off UKIP as a credible party!

UKIP needs to get a political life & quickly!

Lawrie Boxall · 15-09-2005, 08:39 AM

It's important not to confuse the obvious need to campaign with the subject matter of the campaign - what are you campaigning for and what are you seeking to achieve?

To campaign and recruit is the whole purpose of branches and does not change from one year to the next except it gets more intesive at election time. Campaigning on the streets is a very effective way to attract attention and UKIP branches have been doing it in growing numbers for about a decade now. However it is only sensible to choose issues which meet the long term aspirations of your party.

The UKIP leadership seem to think the single issue of the EU is the one that UKIP should address to the virtual exclusion of all others. That is one point of view but I can tell you that it will not help you win seats at the next general election. In fact the more you paint yourself INTO phpbb_this particular corner the more difficulty you will have achieving success outside the small group of comitted anti-EU voters.

UKIP has been campaigning for so long now on the single issue that it may already be impossible to change public perception. However we all know that the voters are desperate for something different, more democracy, a break up of the two party system, an end to lies and spin.

There is a vacuum and I believe that UKIP, out of all the smaller UK parties is actually best placed to fill it because within its jumbled set of beliefs are fundamental ideas about truth and democracy.

But UKIP will not be able to fill the vacuum unless it changes its focus. That is something the members need to decide fairly soon I would say because the opportunity will not be there forever.

There is absolutely no reason why branches cannot use this petition, but to make it the focus of UKIPs campaigning seems to me as though the party leadership is rather deliberately avoiding any serious consideration about the future of the party and how to turn the recent electoral failure INTO phpbb_future success. What they are doing in fact is sitting on their hands.

Lawrie Boxall · 15-09-2005, 08:48 AM

Let me re-phrase that - they are sitting on your hands so you can't use them

Anthony Butcher · 16-09-2005, 04:07 PM

We are four days INTO phpbb_the campaign. Has anyone here gathered a single signature?

B.A.Ware · 16-09-2005, 04:10 PM

Even though I don’t believe in it I’ve had a few people sign on the internet.

mkpdavies · 16-09-2005, 04:17 PM

I believe in the cause, even if I wish UKIP were not doing it right now.

I have signed it and I will be getting people to do so (already have a few!).

I even put a link in my first article in the Guvnor Times.

Admit it, if we could get a few million sigs it would be impressive.

B.A.Ware · 16-09-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Admit it, if we could get a few million sigs it would be impressive.

And if we only get a few hundred thousand. :?

And remember what dear old Maggie said.
"All of those people that didn’t vote obviously agree with me"

So it will be two million for and fifty odd million against. :cry:

mkpdavies · 16-09-2005, 04:29 PM

If we don't get a few mill it will be bad.

If we do though, I think it would be seen as impressive that little UKIP managed it.

As I said, I wish they hadn't done it yet, but they have, so we have no option but to put up.

B.A.Ware · 16-09-2005, 04:35 PM

I wouldn't mind, if they done it along with an announcement about some domestic policies or a Ukip re-vamp even if it was only on the website.

mkpdavies · 16-09-2005, 04:37 PM

I know.

We'll have to fix that, or die trying.

16-09-2005, 04:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,182 Party: Libertarian Party	I believe in the cause, even if I wish UKIP were not doing it right now. I have signed it and I will be getting people to do so (already have a few!). I even put a link in my first article in the Guvnor Times. Admit it, if we could get a few million sigs it would be impressive. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

16-09-2005, 04:29 PM	#18 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,182 Party: Libertarian Party	If we don't get a few mill it will be bad. If we do though, I think it would be seen as impressive that little UKIP managed it. As I said, I wish they hadn't done it yet, but they have, so we have no option but to put up. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

16-09-2005, 04:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,182 Party: Libertarian Party	I know. We'll have to fix that, or die trying. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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15-09-2005, 08:39 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	It's important not to confuse the obvious need to campaign with the subject matter of the campaign - what are you campaigning for and what are you seeking to achieve? To campaign and recruit is the whole purpose of branches and does not change from one year to the next except it gets more intesive at election time. Campaigning on the streets is a very effective way to attract attention and UKIP branches have been doing it in growing numbers for about a decade now. However it is only sensible to choose issues which meet the long term aspirations of your party. The UKIP leadership seem to think the single issue of the EU is the one that UKIP should address to the virtual exclusion of all others. That is one point of view but I can tell you that it will not help you win seats at the next general election. In fact the more you paint yourself INTO phpbb_this particular corner the more difficulty you will have achieving success outside the small group of comitted anti-EU voters. UKIP has been campaigning for so long now on the single issue that it may already be impossible to change public perception. However we all know that the voters are desperate for something different, more democracy, a break up of the two party system, an end to lies and spin. There is a vacuum and I believe that UKIP, out of all the smaller UK parties is actually best placed to fill it because within its jumbled set of beliefs are fundamental ideas about truth and democracy. But UKIP will not be able to fill the vacuum unless it changes its focus. That is something the members need to decide fairly soon I would say because the opportunity will not be there forever. There is absolutely no reason why branches cannot use this petition, but to make it the focus of UKIPs campaigning seems to me as though the party leadership is rather deliberately avoiding any serious consideration about the future of the party and how to turn the recent electoral failure INTO phpbb_future success. What they are doing in fact is sitting on their hands.

15-09-2005, 08:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	Let me re-phrase that - they are sitting on your hands so you can't use them

16-09-2005, 04:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,208 Party: None	We are four days INTO phpbb_the campaign. Has anyone here gathered a single signature?

16-09-2005, 04:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,640 Party: UKIP	Even though I don’t believe in it I’ve had a few people sign on the internet.

16-09-2005, 04:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,640 Party: UKIP	I wouldn't mind, if they done it along with an announcement about some domestic policies or a Ukip re-vamp even if it was only on the website.