Did UKIP MEPs vote on this?

kernow · 05-08-2005, 01:02 AM

Denmamarks newspaper "Berlingske Tidende" has called for the rapid end of livestock transportation to destinations in the Middle East, because the suffering of the animals on the long journeys contravenes modern ethical standards. Apparently Denmarks MEPs got a majority of their European colleagues to sign a petition in protest about these horrific journeys. What wasn't mentioned is the fact that after these long journeys without food or water the poor animals have to suffer the final agony of Halal slaughter. If there is a God he certainly isn't a defender of dumb animals! Has anyone heard if any UKIP MEPs signed this petition?
I hope they all did, if not, then I'd like to hear the reasons why!!!

Anthony Butcher · 05-08-2005, 01:41 AM

There are a number of issues in relation to animal welfare, including battery farming (cows and chickens), halal and kosher preparation, deliberate overfeeding, and livestock transportation (including the environmental and disease-spreading impacts).

If we are going to tackle it, I would rather we establish a fundamental set of principles for the minimum standards of care for animals and extrapolate from there, than attack it piecemeal. It is too easy to get distracted by relatively minor issues such as transportation to the Middle East.

Obviously it is an issue that needs to be dealt with, but there are much, much larger issues to tackle as well/first.

PeterRisdon · 05-08-2005, 02:07 AM

This is particularly ghastly but other less obvious abuses are facilitated by live animal transport. Some real scams operate within the EU, based on being able to put a basically fraudulent country of origin mark on, say, sheep that were reared in the UK then shipped to France for a few months before slaughter.

Transportation of live animals, except breeding stock, should be severely curtailed. Let's not forget, though, that it was John Selwyn Gummer who closed down so many local abbatoirs in the UK by deliberately exceeding EU hygeine regulations. This is why animals now routinely travel excessive distances even within the UK. It's also why producers of rare breeds have in some cases been forced to close down because of the costs of shipping, say, wild boar to the nearest suitable slaughterhouse.

Small slaughterhouse owners didn't give large sums to political parties, or take MPs to lunch, unlike representatives of larger companies. There is a corruption intrinsic in democracy, personified by the lobbying industry, that has now rendered all major parties unfit to govern.

I guess that's why I'm here.

kernow · 05-08-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

It is too easy to get distracted by relatively minor issues such as transportation to the Middle East.

Obviously it is an issue that needs to be dealt with, but there are much, much larger issues to tackle as well/first.

I find it sad that you think the horrific transportation of hundreds of thousands of animals on a regular basis to end their days at the hands of a Halal butcher is a minor issue, especially after reading the " Important" hundreds of thousands of words of waffle on this forum about the likes of Kilroy-Silk and the stance of other "Would be" politicians

Bellatrix · 05-08-2005, 01:56 PM

The EU subsidises this. So yes, our MEPs are not in favour of prolonged animal transportation. Of course, if the EU hadn't forced many small abattoirs to close down, so many animals wouldn't have to face live export.
As for signing petitions: UKIP MEPs don't usually sign these as they are non legislative, a waste pf parliaments time and why should the EU have a say over what can be dealt with through international agreements without undermining the government of a country?

Anthony Butcher · 05-08-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

I find it sad that you think the horrific transportation of hundreds of thousands of animals on a regular basis to end their days at the hands of a Halal butcher is a minor issue,

As you say it is hundred of thousands of animals. There are more chickens in Britain than people, the majority of which are battery farmed - i.e. living permanently in a cage th size of a piece of A4 paper. Hence in comparison the transportation of animals to the Middle East is a minor issue. Note that I said "relatively minor" in my original post.

All I am saying is that if we are going to tackle animal welfare issues, let's start at the top with the biggest issues.

BASILDON BOY · 05-08-2005, 02:48 PM

..................And what is UKIP's policy on animal welfare?

Is there a policy paper available for members, the public and election candidates?

If UKIP is to be taken seriously then it must have the answers readily available to the public, UKIP members and candidates alike!

Hartlepool · 05-08-2005, 03:58 PM

I assume we are all still dead against the shipping of live horses to France,Belgium and N.Africa for food/meat.

kernow · 05-08-2005, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

I assume we are all still dead against the shipping of live horses to France,Belgium and N.Africa for food/meat.

Absolutely! as a lifelong professional horseman I abhor the live export trade

mkpdavies · 05-08-2005, 04:42 PM

Dead horses is O.K though right?

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kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	Did UKIP MEPs vote on this? Denmamarks newspaper "Berlingske Tidende" has called for the rapid end of livestock transportation to destinations in the Middle East, because the suffering of the animals on the long journeys contravenes modern ethical standards. Apparently Denmarks MEPs got a majority of their European colleagues to sign a petition in protest about these horrific journeys. What wasn't mentioned is the fact that after these long journeys without food or water the poor animals have to suffer the final agony of Halal slaughter. If there is a God he certainly isn't a defender of dumb animals! Has anyone heard if any UKIP MEPs signed this petition? I hope they all did, if not, then I'd like to hear the reasons why!!!

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05-08-2005, 01:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,192 Party: None	There are a number of issues in relation to animal welfare, including battery farming (cows and chickens), halal and kosher preparation, deliberate overfeeding, and livestock transportation (including the environmental and disease-spreading impacts). If we are going to tackle it, I would rather we establish a fundamental set of principles for the minimum standards of care for animals and extrapolate from there, than attack it piecemeal. It is too easy to get distracted by relatively minor issues such as transportation to the Middle East. Obviously it is an issue that needs to be dealt with, but there are much, much larger issues to tackle as well/first.

05-08-2005, 02:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
PeterRisdon Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 70	This is particularly ghastly but other less obvious abuses are facilitated by live animal transport. Some real scams operate within the EU, based on being able to put a basically fraudulent country of origin mark on, say, sheep that were reared in the UK then shipped to France for a few months before slaughter. Transportation of live animals, except breeding stock, should be severely curtailed. Let's not forget, though, that it was John Selwyn Gummer who closed down so many local abbatoirs in the UK by deliberately exceeding EU hygeine regulations. This is why animals now routinely travel excessive distances even within the UK. It's also why producers of rare breeds have in some cases been forced to close down because of the costs of shipping, say, wild boar to the nearest suitable slaughterhouse. Small slaughterhouse owners didn't give large sums to political parties, or take MPs to lunch, unlike representatives of larger companies. There is a corruption intrinsic in democracy, personified by the lobbying industry, that has now rendered all major parties unfit to govern. I guess that's why I'm here.

05-08-2005, 01:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Bellatrix Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 625	The EU subsidises this. So yes, our MEPs are not in favour of prolonged animal transportation. Of course, if the EU hadn't forced many small abattoirs to close down, so many animals wouldn't have to face live export. As for signing petitions: UKIP MEPs don't usually sign these as they are non legislative, a waste pf parliaments time and why should the EU have a say over what can be dealt with through international agreements without undermining the government of a country?

05-08-2005, 02:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,835	..................And what is UKIP's policy on animal welfare? Is there a policy paper available for members, the public and election candidates? If UKIP is to be taken seriously then it must have the answers readily available to the public, UKIP members and candidates alike!

05-08-2005, 03:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,814 Party: Popular Democrats	I assume we are all still dead against the shipping of live horses to France,Belgium and N.Africa for food/meat.