mkpdavies

You have beaten me INTO phpbb_submission Paul, I have lost the strength to argue any more. You should get onto Blair and see if you can change his mind.

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Bluemerle

The CPS and Ministers are discussing whether to apply Treason to the existingj laws for inciting hatred and murder, so perhaps they have read this thread and agree with Gerard.

Trefoil

Voicing support for a political party who pursue their aims legally is rather different than voicing support for terrorists who do intend to commit direct crimes - namely murder - though.

I'd agree with GB on the whole, certainly on the 'terrorism' part of the policy, though the 'extremism' line would have to be very carefully drawn.

Anthony Butcher

Many people, including George Galloway I believe, have accused Britain and America of being the terrorists. We have killed somewhere between 24,000 and 100,000 Iraqis in an invasion declared illegal by the UN and unsupported by much of the world. Iraq is now a disaster area and almost in civil war.

Is declaring support for this treasonous?

Paul Birch

Perhaps in theory - but not if you try to apply it to conflicts in a foreign country, outside of British jurisdiction, where the very legitimacy and authority of those in power is in dispute. Nor is it so easy to distinguish them when conflicts arising out of British interventions overseas come home to roost.

I don't believe that's possible (at least, not without abandoning the rule of law for the arbitrary rule of men). Either extremism comes down to "whatever the government doesn't like and wants to suppress", or it will objectively include almost every firm political or religious doctrine whatsoever. Take atheism: "there is no God"; how can you get any more extreme than that? Or Christianity: "there is none righteous, no not one"; "the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life". Or Judaism: one chosen people. Or libertarianism: maximise personal and economic liberty. Or ... but you get the point, I hope. For that matter, "ban all extremism" is itself extremist!

Trefoil

Well, invading Iraq isn't treasonous to this country, which is really what we're asking (whether Britain could be somewhat hypocritical in expelling people from this country for acts of terrorism while participating in the Iraq war itself is another question though...)

Paul Birch

That's debatable. Making new enemies, increasing hostility to Britain, inviting retaliation, fostering terrorism, putting British nationals and British national security at risk - all for the sake of futile foreign adventures and devastating crusades - yes, that's a kind of treason, right enough.

Percentage

I agree with Paul,putting British troops life's on the line on the basis of lies is treasonous!

mkpdavies

Me too. Nothing worse than lying. Lying to take your coutnry to war is about the most treasonable thing you can do.

He has dirtied Britains name in the world. That's 100% treason and he should be sent down as a war criminal for it.

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