London UKIP MEP calls for new treason law.....

mkpdavies · 04-08-2005, 05:01 PM

In this case you can't get out of the fact it IS a two-tier system.

People born here have no choice over whether they like the laws or not. They would have to leave or break them if they don't.

People who are not born here DO have the choice.

MarkR · 04-08-2005, 05:05 PM

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Australia just deported a British paedophile back to Britain, who has lived in Australia for almost all his life.

He was a British citizen, not a naturalised Aussie.
Big difference.
Essentially what GB is saying is that naturalised citizens are not citizens at all but merely have some kind of long term visa. Way to ensure integration!

Oh and anyone who wants to call me a socialist is cordially invited outside for fisticuffs!
8)

WindupMerchant · 04-08-2005, 05:08 PM

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Oh and anyone who wants to call me a socialist is cordially invited outside for fisticuffs!
8)

A LiberalDemocrat then:?:

mkpdavies · 04-08-2005, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MarkR

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Australia just deported a British paedophile back to Britain, who has lived in Australia for almost all his life.

He was a British citizen, not a naturalised Aussie.
Big difference.
Essentially what GB is saying is that naturalised citizens are not citizens at all but merely have some kind of long term visa. Way to ensure integration!

Oh and anyone who wants to call me a socialist is cordially invited outside for fisticuffs!
8)

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He was a British citizen, not a naturalised Aussie.

I thought I read he had dual citizenship.

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Essentially what GB is saying is that naturalised citizens are not citizens at all but merely have some kind of long term visa. Way to ensure integration!

Due to the fact the aspirant Britain does have a choice whether to come here, I am not that againt giving one extra rule, that is impossible to give to those born in Britain saying you could lose your citizenship in certain extreme circumstances.

Born Britains would get jail time as the only option, so I guess we could just apply that to the immigrant aswell, but I wonder if that is the country cutting off it's nose, to spite it's face?

I look at it from an immigrants perspective. If I wanted to move to New Zealand or Switzerland and become a citizen of that country, I would be more than happy to accept that I may be thrown out if I commited a certain level of crime. That's the thing when you have choice!

Roger Gough · 04-08-2005, 05:39 PM

Is this the Liberal Democrat Forum ? The Country has accepted someone as wanting to be a British Citizen because he doesn't have that right by birth - a very generous gift bought by the blood of millions who died for the Country and it's values. I think that the ultimate sanction for anyone who has been given, by the country, that precious right and who then seeks to destroy the Country by treason (however that may be defined) is revocation of that gift. What are we suggesting happens - prison terms for them and then out for good behaviour? They can stay British if they rob a bank or if they kill their mother but if they seek to destroy that which gave them their 'rights' in the first place - my country and my children's country - revocation of their citizenship, which they've just p***** on, is being let off lightly. Well said Gerard Batten. Viva UKIP! What would happen to anyone of us who tried to do the same in an Islamic country ?
Wise up guys. This a war against terrorism. You are talking the destruction of your Country - that which you hold dear. I hope.

Anthony Butcher · 04-08-2005, 05:54 PM

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I think that the ultimate sanction for anyone who has been given, by the country, that precious right and who then seeks to destroy the Country by treason (however that may be defined) is revocation of that gift.

That is NOT what was being suggested. "We should remove British citizenship from any naturalised British citizen who voices support for terrorism or political and religious extremism and deport them".

Voicing support for "terrorists" is very much a matter of one's point of view. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. We are talking about free speech, NOT terrorism.

This could so easily be extended to cover BNP and UKIP voters, both of which parties have been called extremist in the past. Would you trust Blair not to label UKIP as politically extreme?

What about communists? That is a perfect example of "political extremism". Do we deport any naturalised commies?

We aren't talking about people who have committed any crime here, we are talking about people voicing their opinions (even if they are objectionable).

And if we are making it a criminal offence for naturalised Britons, why is it not a criminal offence for British-born people? If it is such an awful crime that it warrants deportation and revokation of citizenship, why are there no punishments for other Britons?

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Wise up guys. This a war against terrorism. You are talking the destruction of your Country - that which you hold dear. I hope.

I hold dear my freedom of speech. This kind of law is what is wrecking the country, not terrorism.

Roger Gough · 04-08-2005, 06:00 PM

I said, "............for treason, however that may be defined" I stand by that.

Percentage · 04-08-2005, 06:04 PM

The timing of this statement is the most revealing thing to come out of it for me,is Mr Batton trying to compete with David Davies in a competition of vitriol?

Hartlepool · 04-08-2005, 06:10 PM

I certainly hope so.It's about time we competed with someone about something.

BASILDON BOY · 04-08-2005, 06:37 PM

Well done on the Press Statement

UKIP must try harder in getting publicity if we want to be taken seriously as a national political party

Now lets see if any of us can spot any publicity on any newspaper or news websites or in tomorrows newspapers?

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,103 Party: Libertarian Party	In this case you can't get out of the fact it IS a two-tier system. People born here have no choice over whether they like the laws or not. They would have to leave or break them if they don't. People who are not born here DO have the choice. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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04-08-2005, 05:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 708	Is this the Liberal Democrat Forum ? The Country has accepted someone as wanting to be a British Citizen because he doesn't have that right by birth - a very generous gift bought by the blood of millions who died for the Country and it's values. I think that the ultimate sanction for anyone who has been given, by the country, that precious right and who then seeks to destroy the Country by treason (however that may be defined) is revocation of that gift. What are we suggesting happens - prison terms for them and then out for good behaviour? They can stay British if they rob a bank or if they kill their mother but if they seek to destroy that which gave them their 'rights' in the first place - my country and my children's country - revocation of their citizenship, which they've just p***** on, is being let off lightly. Well said Gerard Batten. Viva UKIP! What would happen to anyone of us who tried to do the same in an Islamic country ? Wise up guys. This a war against terrorism. You are talking the destruction of your Country - that which you hold dear. I hope.

04-08-2005, 06:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
Roger Gough Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hotel California Posts: 708	I said, "............for treason, however that may be defined" I stand by that.

04-08-2005, 06:04 PM	#18 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	The timing of this statement is the most revealing thing to come out of it for me,is Mr Batton trying to compete with David Davies in a competition of vitriol?

04-08-2005, 06:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,814 Party: Popular Democrats	I certainly hope so.It's about time we competed with someone about something.

04-08-2005, 06:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
BASILDON BOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: N'Djamena, Chad Posts: 1,835	Well done on the Press Statement UKIP must try harder in getting publicity if we want to be taken seriously as a national political party Now lets see if any of us can spot any publicity on any newspaper or news websites or in tomorrows newspapers?