Oliver

Last week someone posted " The Union is Dead " I can't find the the thread or topic to quote it. I want to ask is there a real desire to maintain the union with Scotland and Wales? (there is already a topic on Northern Ireland)

WindupMerchant

Have a look at the 2005 general election results, how many votes the Scottish National Party got, compared to every other and there is your answer. Long live the United Kingdom

http://www.scotlibdems.org.uk/elect/...estats2005.htm

mkpdavies

I'm all for the UK. It's done us proud over time!

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ChrisB

The only thing I've ever read (seriously) about the divide of the UK was from a Scotish nationalist. He wanted to get out of the union with the UK, but then straight away enter, as "Scotland", a union with the EU :shock: Surely that should be about 5 million times worse to him than our little union. :?

If you want independance from the UK, fine - campaign. But if you then want to join the EU straight after, I have no respect for you.

I woudn't describe myself as a "unionist", just a "let's-get-on-with-it-ist". Before reading this forum, it never even entered my head that anyone, anywhere, wanted independence from the UK. I think that most of the English people will be exactly the same - it not even being thought of in the first place, much less as an issue to condemn or agree with.

WindupMerchant

In the last election, only 10% of the Scottish electorate voted for the Scottish National Party, proof is in the pudding, if you ask me.
SNP advocate Independence, but want to be ruled by EU, which makes no sense to me.
As they have an MSP who is more Italian than Scottish, speaks for itself.

Percy the Poodle

In my view the silent majority of British people are committed to remaining British. It is a very loud minority clamouring for split up of the union but they are few. We are stronger, more diverse and more dynamic together in my view.

Britannist

The United Kingdom (wrongly called ‘Britain’) has been the single most successful nation state in the world. Initially established as an Anglo-Scottish union, the four parts of the UK have admirably spread their great influence around the globe. Anyone who travels or looks at the world map can see that no other nation has left its mark like we British have.

It is time more was done to fight the pro-EU separatist elements (Plaid Cymru, Scottish nationals etc.) that seek to submerge ‘their’ parts (of the UK) INTO phpbb_the EU Frankenstate. A separist poison enterd the ‘UK Body Politic’ soon after we were forced INTO phpbb_the EEC/EU.

The Scottish National Party (SNP) are, effectively, on the side of the French. They are a pro-EU party (like Kennedy’s Laboural ‘Democrats’) who seek to facilitate the further expansion of EU influence in the UK. No true Scottish nationalist would want so-called ‘English rule’ replaced by EU rule (over Scotland) instead. Therefore, the SNP are a bogus nationalist party. SNP opposition to the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) is a sham. They (the SNP) helped create the EU CFP in the first place – and certainly supported it right up until it began to look likely that they (the SNP) would start to lose votes and seats because of the damage the CFP has caused Scotland (and the rest of the UK, for that matter). SNP leader, the europhile Alex Salmond, is a cynical opportunist in the same league as ‘Tony’ B-liar.

Pro-EU B-liar’s Labour government intends to ignore the 300th Anniversary of the UK in 2007. We must campaign for this historic event to be celebrated properly and for all unionist people from the four parts of the UK to participate in this.

Despite the weakening of the Union (of the UK) by B-liar and Kennedy’s Laboural ‘Democrats’ (with their joint support for the setting up of a rival parliament to Westminster in Edinburgh under a voting system designed to elect and keep in power their shambolic coalition) – it is still important for us to support the UK. But this must be under the proviso that England (like Wales and Scotland) secures full control of her internal domestic affairs through England-only voting on English matters before the House of Commons).

Most Scottish and Welsh people would not regard this as an unreasonable request – the only people against English control of England’s domestic affairs are the europhiles B-liar and Kennedy who fear joint minority status for their respective pro-EU parties (in voting on English matters) in the House of Commons. Even under proportional representation voting in England, a joint Blair-Kennedy pro-EU majority - within the English part of the UK (in the House of Commons on England-only voting) - would be hard (for them) to obtain and difficult (for Labour and Kennedy’s Laboural ‘Democrats’) to sustain for long.

Oliver

With regard to the Union with Scotland there are two strands the union of the
Crowns - Kingdoms (1603) and then the Parliaments (1707)
I feel it necessary to declare my interests. I am by grand parents ¾ Scottish three being Scots and one English. They all moved to England to live and all were very unionist they said things to me about the relationship between Scotland & England pointing out the benefits and warning that there would always be a vociferous minority of Scots who are motivated by nothing other than a bitter hatred of all things English and that they will never go away. At one time the Tories stood firmly for the union but now they are a busted flush north of the border.

The SNP sound as if they are the voice of Scotland yet they are not much more than 15% of the vote.

There needs to be a unionist voice in Scotland can UKIP be that voice?
We are not a single issue party if we are nailed on unionists as well as advocating withdrawal from the EU there are two to start with. If we advocate genuine democracy there's three. We can add platform after platform as simply as that. We know there is a need for a moderate non-racist, patriotic & democratic party. I see nothing but positive things in that.

Having seen the down side of UKIP, the heavy handed actions from the top, the preoccupation with appearance rather than substance, and latterly the Cheadle debacle. Just to name a small selection of the negatives.Far to many good people have been driven away from the party without good reason. I always thought NO! this party does not belong to the H.O. crew, who are they? other than temporary custodians, not even that, considering the age of the party. UKIP is more than them, much more.(The Lechlade Luvvies have proved that.) We can be a power for good if we are brave enough to rise to this challenge.

Alex McKee

I agree Oliver. Speaking as an Englishman whos family is quite a rich tappestry (I'll not go INTO phpbb_it here, it'd span the legnth and bredth of the page ) I am fully committed to the Union, unless there is a nigh unamimous declaration of Independence from the other nations in the Union. If they wish to isolate themselves then they are welcome to, but I do think that we need UKIP to be the voice of Unionism in Scotland.

OldChap

What would be interesting is a vote, in England, Wales, Ulster and Scotland for disillusion of the UK, independence for all four states. I would bet that all nations, with the possible exception of England would vote for retention of the Union, however the English nation may see it would be better off without those whom think they are under the English yoke free to extract them selfs from a Labour Government that 60% of English voters did not support.

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