Have we any rules for Ukip Councillors

B.A.Ware · 01-07-2005, 04:53 PM

Before I start this is not a go at Mark Croucher I just got the information from one of his postings.
Mark Croucher Wrote

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You are correct. There is no central list.
For several years, I was responsible for compiling the list, and it proved impossible to keep it up to date. Even now, I get calls from people saying 'I'm a councillor on throgmorton district council', to which I respond 'for which party', and they say 'UKIP'. When I ask when they were elected, answers range from 'last week' to '2002'.

Once again I find the party lacking in any real structure, can anyone stand for Ukip as a councillor “well it seems so” I just cannot believe this, it is total incompetence at best. If we don’t know who our councillors are how do we know they are members?
Why is there no structure for standing for a council it isn’t rocket science in a matter of fact I will write one here and now.

No Person/Persons can stand in local elections for the UK Independence party unless they are a fully paid up member of the party

If a member stands in his local election, the member must have consent from the majority of their local Branch/Association; if no Branch/Association exists they must seek consent from their Regional organiser.

If that member is duly elected they cannot represent the party unless they are registered as an elected councillor with head office (two weeks grace).

If a registered councillor resigns or looses his seat they must inform head office (two weeks grace) Failure to do this could result in the member facing expulsion from the party.

This is just an example surly it cant be that hard to incorporate something like this in the rules

Anthony Butcher · 01-07-2005, 05:08 PM

It is amazing that the party doesn't seem to have the faintest idea who its own elected representatives are.

B.A.Ware · 01-07-2005, 05:17 PM

I find it amazing that they haven’t got any rules either; we don’t know what kind of people could be masquerading as Ukip people.

Could Scotgirl lets us know how they keep tabs on their councillors

mkpdavies · 01-07-2005, 05:27 PM

Well it's a good job that a shiny new party constitution is being worked on now then, ain't it. As per Knapmans message in the independence news, our constitiution WAS ideal of the small pressure group we were (notice his language there), it is not good enough for the 4th biggest party in Britain.

Any suggestions should go to them now, while they are still draughting it. We will get to vote on it, I would guess at conference. So probably best that we make sure all we want is in it now.

01-07-2005, 05:34 PM

someone posted the link before but the lib dems have a councillers website that shows council elections coming up laterst results etc

list of councillers in England and other useful information

http://www.aldc.org/

or a list of councillers in scotland

http://www.scotlibdems.org.uk/council/index.htm

list of councillers in wales

http://www.welshlibdems.org.uk/people_e_councils.asp

mkpdavies · 01-07-2005, 05:37 PM

I think UKIP should copy the Libs on Local structures, as they do it best. Just cut all the lies and rubbish polices and we could start making some progress.

Getting the resources to put this together is another matter though. I think getting the wedge in has to be a huge priority.

Alex McKee · 01-07-2005, 06:18 PM

I agree, the Lib Dems do the local stuff so well, and also IMO we are structurally more similar to the lib dems than the others I think, so we really do need to examine how they do things and adapt them to UKIP.

Paul Birch · 09-07-2005, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

can anyone stand for Ukip as a councillor “well it seems so” I just cannot believe this, it is total incompetence at best. If we don’t know who our councillors are how do we know they are members?
Why is there no structure for standing for a council it isn’t rocket science in a matter of fact I will write one here and now.

It's quite simple. Anyone standing as a UKIP candidate must be authorised by the UKIP Deputy Nominating Officer (DNO) for that electoral area. This is the law.

steve allison · 04-10-2005, 12:36 AM

B.A.Ware is quite right to say only Candidates with a Certificate of Authorisation from the UKIP Nominating Officer or one of his Deputy Nominating Officers can stand in any election using the UKIP Name or Logo. Any Candidate should also sign a declaration before they are accepted. The declaration is a standard form in all branch packs and is the same form that Branch officers and Westminster MP Candidates have to sign. The completed forms are supposed to be returned to UKIP Head Office in Birmingham.

As Deputy Nominating Officer for the North East region I do not accept any candidate for any election unless the Declaration is signed. The Standard form contains 7 points and I must admit I have modified the North East Region Form to include an additional clause. Namely that the Candidate agrees that should he or she be successful in being elected as a UKIP Candidate then they will donate back to the Party a fixed amount of any allowances they receive as a result of their election. The form also says that should they at any time cease to be a member of UKIP then they will resign any elected post they hold. The additional clause is probably not enforceable in law but it does give a certain moral pressure and avoids any "Gentlemen's Agreement" scenario which is equally unenforceable.

01-07-2005, 05:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,806	Well it's a good job that a shiny new party constitution is being worked on now then, ain't it. As per Knapmans message in the independence news, our constitiution WAS ideal of the small pressure group we were (notice his language there), it is not good enough for the 4th biggest party in Britain. Any suggestions should go to them now, while they are still draughting it. We will get to vote on it, I would guess at conference. So probably best that we make sure all we want is in it now. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

01-07-2005, 05:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,806	I think UKIP should copy the Libs on Local structures, as they do it best. Just cut all the lies and rubbish polices and we could start making some progress. Getting the resources to put this together is another matter though. I think getting the wedge in has to be a huge priority. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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01-07-2005, 05:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,127 Party: None	It is amazing that the party doesn't seem to have the faintest idea who its own elected representatives are.

01-07-2005, 05:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,484 Party: UKIP	I find it amazing that they haven’t got any rules either; we don’t know what kind of people could be masquerading as Ukip people. Could Scotgirl lets us know how they keep tabs on their councillors

01-07-2005, 05:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	someone posted the link before but the lib dems have a councillers website that shows council elections coming up laterst results etc list of councillers in England and other useful information http://www.aldc.org/ or a list of councillers in scotland http://www.scotlibdems.org.uk/council/index.htm list of councillers in wales http://www.welshlibdems.org.uk/people_e_councils.asp

01-07-2005, 06:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	I agree, the Lib Dems do the local stuff so well, and also IMO we are structurally more similar to the lib dems than the others I think, so we really do need to examine how they do things and adapt them to UKIP.

04-10-2005, 12:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
steve allison Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 125	B.A.Ware is quite right to say only Candidates with a Certificate of Authorisation from the UKIP Nominating Officer or one of his Deputy Nominating Officers can stand in any election using the UKIP Name or Logo. Any Candidate should also sign a declaration before they are accepted. The declaration is a standard form in all branch packs and is the same form that Branch officers and Westminster MP Candidates have to sign. The completed forms are supposed to be returned to UKIP Head Office in Birmingham. As Deputy Nominating Officer for the North East region I do not accept any candidate for any election unless the Declaration is signed. The Standard form contains 7 points and I must admit I have modified the North East Region Form to include an additional clause. Namely that the Candidate agrees that should he or she be successful in being elected as a UKIP Candidate then they will donate back to the Party a fixed amount of any allowances they receive as a result of their election. The form also says that should they at any time cease to be a member of UKIP then they will resign any elected post they hold. The additional clause is probably not enforceable in law but it does give a certain moral pressure and avoids any "Gentlemen's Agreement" scenario which is equally unenforceable.