Green-UKIP

Alex McKee · 01-07-2005, 12:15 AM

:: Suggestions for Green Policies for the UK Independence Party ::

The purpose of this thread is to develop a range of unique policy ideas that will assist us in creating an electable UKIP. A strong Green-ish policy or two can work wonders, and let's face it it's becoming more relevant everyday.

Please stick to topic. I will be very saddened :cry: if this thread is locked. I want it to grow organically all the time until the policies are adopted by the party

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I'll get the ball rolling:

Support for Ethical & Environmentally friendly fuel choice:

I suggest that UKIP pledges to have a reduced tax on vehicles that produce less pollutants, and also use some existing revenue (from deregulation) to offer almost subsidised fitting of engines or devices that produce less fumes or pollutants.

B.A.Ware · 01-07-2005, 12:52 AM

Same as you on this Alex the bigger the engine the higher the tax there really is no need for these bloody big cars.

B.A.Ware · 01-07-2005, 12:57 AM

I also believe in micro generation, simply put every new house should have some form of power generation. I saw a marvellous one that you can purchase which is a tiny turbine which supplies enough power to run your central heating system.

John Carter · 01-07-2005, 01:37 AM

Attempt to curtail my use of large-engined vehicles and you'll lose my vote forever. Sorry guys but it's that easy.

SilverFalcon · 01-07-2005, 09:54 AM

In support of Alex's suggestions. The future of the sea is acid soup if we don't respond soon. See scientific article from link:

http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/vi...rum=ginungagap

mkpdavies · 01-07-2005, 10:28 AM

Wake the country up to the fact that recycling is mostly a waste of time and indeed in many cases does more damage than good.

What do you mean that won't go down well? Oh yeah I forgot, telling the truth doesn't necessarily mean it's a vote winner.

Like advocating Nuclear power, which is basically what is going to happen, but admiting it before a GE screws you over.

Don't want to rubbish this thread, because UKIP DO need to have an environmentaly aware manifesto. However, look at how the Greens never actually get a significant vote. When a lot of the policiy is based on what MIGHT happen and there is clear evidence of causes being hijacked for selfish agenda, it can do harm to you.

The Lib Dems played the Green card a bit, though not as much as they like to make out. Lots of warm fluffy guff, but when anyone looks seriously at their Green policy, you realise what a big joke it really is. Windmills all over the country indeed.

Look at the Tories and Labour. How much do they talk about Green issues. Answer = Not much. The reason being their is only a small percentage of voters that place Green at the top of their list. They will vote Green no matter what, or Lib Dem.

If anything I think we need to put a huge positive spin on our environmental policy. Encourage the use of good vehicles, rather than punnish the use of bad vehicles. E.G. Less tax on dual fuel vehicles, no VAT on MOT's of such vehicles.

Thus John and his big old gas guzzlers will not suffer, but over time people will migrate to the cheaper to run, more environmentaly friendly vehicles.

While UKIP should develop lots of Green policies, we should only trumpet the best ones in our manifesto. Otherwise we will loose votes. I actually believe this happened with our promtion of Nuclear, even though I beleive it was the right policy and will have to happen.

Hereward the Wake · 01-07-2005, 10:52 AM

We should definitely become more Green.

We already have a green energy and immigration policy.

Quote:

While UKIP recognises the conflict between road building and environmental concerns, there was little justification for the government’s cutbacks in road building and maintenance. We regard adequate spending on roads as essential.

We should definately remove this from our manifesto. We need a greener transport policy. We should commit to no more large scale road building.

Alex McKee · 01-07-2005, 11:06 AM

Thread drift already . . . :cry: . Thanks to those who have been constructive but John and Matt, no offence but you've not had much positive to say.

Like it or not - the fact is that Human beings ARE causing damage to the environment, and that any viable alternative political party needs to address these issues.

Why the heck would it hurt to have green policies. I wasn't suggesting that UKIP take up my suggestion, it was to give an example.

SO far no-one except Hereward have actually put any
new policy ideas to the debate, (thanks to B.A.Ware for the support though), please can we now get some new ideas on the ball?

mkpdavies · 01-07-2005, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Thread drift already . . . . Thanks to those who have been constructive but John and Matt, no offence but you've not had much positive to say.

Johns not a member, he is telling you what he thinks as a voter. I told you how we should concentrate on the positive, that is being as positive as I can be.

I'm just warning you that a leap INTO phpbb_Greensville isn't necessarily a good idea. I suggested ways we can push green policy without losing all our votes, but don't gripe because I don't agree with everything you say.

If I can't say I think we need to encourage good behaviour rather than discourage bad behaviour, then I suggest you are the negative one here.

Alex McKee · 01-07-2005, 11:18 AM

Matt,

I'm not suggesting a 100% leap INTO phpbb_"Greensville". What I'm saying is that we need to develop policies on this line, if you don't agree then fair enough but why not?

Secondly I'm not griping or being negative. In fact this was my attempt to heal some wounds and re-establish the course of UKIP on this forum, as I know I have been fairly damaging over the last few days with my questions to Mark.

I intend to start threads on all policy areas, the WHOLE POINT, and ONLY point of this thread was to develop a few dozen varied policies that we could then use perhaps.

As I thought the whole point of the section was.

Alex

01-07-2005, 12:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Green-UKIP :: Suggestions for Green Policies for the UK Independence Party :: The purpose of this thread is to develop a range of unique policy ideas that will assist us in creating an electable UKIP. A strong Green-ish policy or two can work wonders, and let's face it it's becoming more relevant everyday. Please stick to topic. I will be very saddened :cry: if this thread is locked. I want it to grow organically all the time until the policies are adopted by the party . I'll get the ball rolling: Support for Ethical & Environmentally friendly fuel choice: I suggest that UKIP pledges to have a reduced tax on vehicles that produce less pollutants, and also use some existing revenue (from deregulation) to offer almost subsidised fitting of engines or devices that produce less fumes or pollutants.

01-07-2005, 01:37 AM	#4 (permalink)
John Carter Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Sabbatical Posts: 5,110	Attempt to curtail my use of large-engined vehicles and you'll lose my vote forever. Sorry guys but it's that easy. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world: Libertarians, fascists, and those who haven't been paying attention.

01-07-2005, 10:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,102 Party: Libertarian Party	Wake the country up to the fact that recycling is mostly a waste of time and indeed in many cases does more damage than good. What do you mean that won't go down well? Oh yeah I forgot, telling the truth doesn't necessarily mean it's a vote winner. Like advocating Nuclear power, which is basically what is going to happen, but admiting it before a GE screws you over. Don't want to rubbish this thread, because UKIP DO need to have an environmentaly aware manifesto. However, look at how the Greens never actually get a significant vote. When a lot of the policiy is based on what MIGHT happen and there is clear evidence of causes being hijacked for selfish agenda, it can do harm to you. The Lib Dems played the Green card a bit, though not as much as they like to make out. Lots of warm fluffy guff, but when anyone looks seriously at their Green policy, you realise what a big joke it really is. Windmills all over the country indeed. Look at the Tories and Labour. How much do they talk about Green issues. Answer = Not much. The reason being their is only a small percentage of voters that place Green at the top of their list. They will vote Green no matter what, or Lib Dem. If anything I think we need to put a huge positive spin on our environmental policy. Encourage the use of good vehicles, rather than punnish the use of bad vehicles. E.G. Less tax on dual fuel vehicles, no VAT on MOT's of such vehicles. Thus John and his big old gas guzzlers will not suffer, but over time people will migrate to the cheaper to run, more environmentaly friendly vehicles. While UKIP should develop lots of Green policies, we should only trumpet the best ones in our manifesto. Otherwise we will loose votes. I actually believe this happened with our promtion of Nuclear, even though I beleive it was the right policy and will have to happen. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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01-07-2005, 12:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,629 Party: UKIP	Same as you on this Alex the bigger the engine the higher the tax there really is no need for these bloody big cars.

01-07-2005, 12:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,629 Party: UKIP	I also believe in micro generation, simply put every new house should have some form of power generation. I saw a marvellous one that you can purchase which is a tiny turbine which supplies enough power to run your central heating system.

01-07-2005, 09:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
SilverFalcon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,054	In support of Alex's suggestions. The future of the sea is acid soup if we don't respond soon. See scientific article from link: http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/vi...rum=ginungagap

01-07-2005, 11:06 AM	#8 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Thread drift already . . . :cry: . Thanks to those who have been constructive but John and Matt, no offence but you've not had much positive to say. Like it or not - the fact is that Human beings ARE causing damage to the environment, and that any viable alternative political party needs to address these issues. Why the heck would it hurt to have green policies. I wasn't suggesting that UKIP take up my suggestion, it was to give an example. SO far no-one except Hereward have actually put any new policy ideas to the debate, (thanks to B.A.Ware for the support though), please can we now get some new ideas on the ball?

01-07-2005, 11:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,666	Matt, I'm not suggesting a 100% leap INTO phpbb_"Greensville". What I'm saying is that we need to develop policies on this line, if you don't agree then fair enough but why not? Secondly I'm not griping or being negative. In fact this was my attempt to heal some wounds and re-establish the course of UKIP on this forum, as I know I have been fairly damaging over the last few days with my questions to Mark. I intend to start threads on all policy areas, the WHOLE POINT, and ONLY point of this thread was to develop a few dozen varied policies that we could then use perhaps. As I thought the whole point of the section was. Alex