Malpoet

You would have to explain how that would happen for me to be able to make a worthwhile response.

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Alex McKee

nyorks is a resident troll. He's likable in a strange sort of way, I used to laugh thinking he was joking but then I realised he's quite serious :shock:

nyorks-patriot

Mass immigration, Lack of ability of England’s company’s to compete (what’s left of them) = much reduced GNP per capita.
That’s before we even mention the lowering of the quality of the people through the degradation and miscegenation such a system produces.

Malpoet

Well patriot, not only are you absolutely wrong, but I find your views so utterly distasteful that I am not sure that it is worthwhile us discussing things at all.

Free movement of labour has nothing to do with immigration. This country is seriously lacking in labour in many parts of the economy and the age balance of our population requires a significant input of younger workers. Travel for work is different from the intention to permanently settle. People who want to live permanently in this country should be required to meet criteria for good citizenship.

It is difficult to understand why you name yourself patriot when you have so little faith in the ability of British enterprise to compete. The truth is that we have comparative advantage in many areas of international trade and commerce. That is what has made us the fourth largest economy in the world despite being a very small island and a relatively insignificant population of 60 million in a world of 6 billion people. We will only be able to remain relatively properous and build on that prosperity if we free our economy from the mass of constraints placed on it at present and allow it to flourish in the free market which will permit the fullest expansion of wealth through the initiative and enterprise that we have in plenty. Our problem at present is that we are overtaxed, over regulated and suffering from substantial skill shortage.


You need to get a grasp of some basic economics if you want to engage in serious debate about how our economy can improve. As was demonstrated conclusively by David Ricardo, the removal of barriers to trade results in all cases in an increase in overall efficiency of the market bringing greater prosperity to all participants. For this reason, so called international aid is damaging to its recipients rather than beneficial and the same goes for 'soft' loans and debt cancellation. All subsidies, tariffs and trade barriers reduce the efficiency of the market and bring relative impoverishment to all participants including those who they were meant to protect. Removing the multitude of trade restraints and interventions that we have in our economy will undoubtedly result in an increase in GNP and GDP even if these things are done entirely unilaterally. The real route to third world status for our economy would be to isolate ourselves in any way from the opportunities provided by a globalised economy. Examples of the results of isolation can be seen in north Korea, Nepal, Myanmar (Burma) and other places.

The repulsive, and idiotic, assertion that the indigenous population of the UK possess a racial superiority that would be degraded by any inter breeding between UK citizens and people originating from other countries is not worthy of any response. Master race delusions have resulted in enough death and misery. I will not contribute to any debate that gives a platform to such disgusting and dangerous nonsense.

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Hereward the Wake

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Free movement of labour = unregulated immigration. If you restrict their ability to settle its not free movement is it.

The age balance of our population definately does not require a significant input of younger workers. Overpopulation is a far more serious threat than an aging population. Ukip completely rejects that argument in our manifesto.

My grandfather traveled to Britain to find work, he permanently settled here.

No we are not. Employers should train more workers. I had difficulty finding work as an engineer with an OND.




I generally belive in a free market, however we are talking about the utilitys here. It is impossible to have a free market in water for instance. I belive water, electricity, coal and the Railways should be renationalised. (Of course the railways and coal should never have been nationalised in 1948). Free market fundamentalism will get us nowhere.

nyorks-patriot

We have millions of people who don’t even work as it is now.
Yet Libertarians what have no thought about skilling these people up.
Unemployment among immigrants is even lower as is skill levels.
Of course you don’t take INTO phpbb_account all the costs of immigrant’s crime either.

British industry has proved it can’t compete in many areas.
Car manufacturers being a perfect example.

We may be the 4th largest economy right now but we are around 20th richest per capita.
In size terms India and China will both pass us soon.

Free Trade is destroying us.
Japan, Germany and the USA all built their economies through the use of protectionism.
China and South Korea are using similar methods right now.
If I owned a company producing football shirts in Manchester for example and went bust because a company in India can produce shirts at a far cheaper price even if the quality is some what less that would not improve our economy.
It would result in a lowering of GNP per capita

The basic fact you are [snip - take it to R/R/C Zone - Alex]