Party or Pressure Group

mkpdavies · 08-06-2005, 10:13 PM

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If you think I am dishonest, that is your opinion.

Wasn't aimed at you, but the multitude of BNP members who have come here, pretending they are something they are not, only to show themselves up very quickly.

Jean Pool · 08-06-2005, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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One, you really as a party must try and engage more with the full spectrum that is the general public - not just certain sectors already established as a toe-hold. Well - established enough to give you a disastrous election result after twelve years in the making. I won't rub in the results.

Already agreed.

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Two - don't put a ceiling on what The BNP may achieve electorally. That is silly. Why is it that most people I canvass seem to find BNP policy on crime, immigration, green issues and EU far more appealing than any other mainstream party? I accept, this is just my personal findings but I feel this would be replicated elsewhere.

I agree a lot of them do, but most will never vote BNP as they are seen as scum. Rightly or wrongly, you know my opinion on that.

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UKIP will never hold any sway as a multi-issue party. I see you as a man of reason. Reality bites, Matt. Grasp the "pressure-group" status that you are, and always will be.

The minority within the party want to be a pressure group, the majority will win out. Whether or not the public can be convinced of that, is another question. I'm not giving up trying until I see a better alternative. The BNP will never be that.

How would you feel about Gareth or Christina being UKIP members? Useful? Good for the party?

nyorks-patriot · 08-06-2005, 10:23 PM

Libertarian i see a Classical Liberal.
The original anti-British ideology.
Libertarians have much in common with Communists i find, they seem to use UKIP and the Conservative party to gain power much as the Communists use the Labour party.
Because they know if they stood as a Libertarian or a Communist they would get about as many votes as dogs have feathers.

mkpdavies · 08-06-2005, 10:24 PM

Gareth has found his true home. Christina, I don't know yet. Probably has found the right party though.

Just because I don't like what the BNP stand for, they clearly do represent a portion of the public on their main issue.

On the limited information I have had/seen so far, no I don't think they would be suited to UKIP.

mkpdavies · 08-06-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nyorks-patriot

Libertarian i see a Classical Liberal.
The original anti-British ideology.
Libertarians have much in common with Communists i find, they seem to use UKIP and the Conservative party to gain power much as the Communists use the Labour party.
Because they know if they stood as a Libertarian or a Communist they would get about as many votes as dogs have feathers.

You are one confused chap! Stick with the BNP, please.

Percentage · 08-06-2005, 10:27 PM

I'm sure nyorks troll like behaviour is what sparked off Matts thinking,we havent seen him for a while maybe he's been getting more extensive experience with negro's & asians.

On a more serious note though your (Christina) revelations yesterday could not have been better timed as we will all get a first hand acount of the BNP attitude/aceptance of a complex situation,we on the forum should be gratefull that we know we will get a frank & honest apraisal as you initiate yourself INTO phpbb_there ranks.

Who needs fly on the wall TV!

Jean Pool · 08-06-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Percentage

I'm sure nyorks troll like behaviour is what sparked off Matts thinking,we havent seen him for a while maybe he's been getting more extensive experience with negro's & asians.

On a more serious note though your (Christina) revelations yesterday could not have been better timed as we will all get a first hand acount of the BNP attitude/aceptance of a complex situation,we on the forum should be gratefull that we know we will get a frank & honest apraisal as you initiate yourself INTO phpbb_there ranks.

Who needs fly on the wall TV!

Most disgusting, disrespectful comment of the night. Ughh.

Percentage · 08-06-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean Pool

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Originally Posted by Percentage

I'm sure nyorks troll like behaviour is what sparked off Matts thinking,we havent seen him for a while maybe he's been getting more extensive experience with negro's & asians.

On a more serious note though your (Christina) revelations yesterday could not have been better timed as we will all get a first hand acount of the BNP attitude/aceptance of a complex situation,we on the forum should be gratefull that we know we will get a frank & honest apraisal as you initiate yourself INTO phpbb_there ranks.

Who needs fly on the wall TV!

Most disgusting, disrespectful comment of the night. Ughh.

:?: ,Unless you have an insect allergy!

Anthony Butcher · 08-06-2005, 10:45 PM

Slanging match. Locked.

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08-06-2005, 10:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
nyorks-patriot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 653	Libertarian i see a Classical Liberal. The original anti-British ideology. Libertarians have much in common with Communists i find, they seem to use UKIP and the Conservative party to gain power much as the Communists use the Labour party. Because they know if they stood as a Libertarian or a Communist they would get about as many votes as dogs have feathers.

08-06-2005, 10:27 PM	#26 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	I'm sure nyorks troll like behaviour is what sparked off Matts thinking,we havent seen him for a while maybe he's been getting more extensive experience with negro's & asians. On a more serious note though your (Christina) revelations yesterday could not have been better timed as we will all get a first hand acount of the BNP attitude/aceptance of a complex situation,we on the forum should be gratefull that we know we will get a frank & honest apraisal as you initiate yourself INTO phpbb_there ranks. Who needs fly on the wall TV!

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Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,192 Party: None	Slanging match. Locked.