South East Counties - wrap up.

Paul Birch · 05-06-2005, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Is this really how pathetic and weak Nigel Farage regards the party? He thinks so little of our manifesto that he is willing to trade 12 candidates for a bit of extra coverage about the EU? I don't think that he could make it any clearer that he believes and wants UKIP to be a pressure party and nothing more.

We need a party vote on this as soon as possible. Perhaps the next leadership election will become a party referendum on the issue of single-issue versus full party.

The issue did come up. With few exceptions, the whole meeting was vocal in its insistence that UKIP should be a full party, not a pressure group, and that it would be bad news if it broke up or disbanded after winning withdrawal from the EU.

Paul Birch · 05-06-2005, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

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Originally Posted by Paul Birch

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Dick Morris's strategy & message were wrong - somebody from the floor said that Dick had recommended Say No followed by a positive... Petrina denied that he had done so

I thought this was Nigel not Petrina.

Dick Morris spent a full five minutes at the Exeter training session explaining that every message should be in the format of:

"Say no to the EU so that we can add £25 to the pension"
"Say no to the EU so that we can regain control of our farming"

Whoever denied this was wrong.

Ah, I don't think that was quite the point being made yesterday. This isn't a negative message followed by a positive message; it's the one negative message backed up by various positive glosses. What the campaign evidently lacked (and suffered from) was any definite positive message in its own right.

Biscuitman · 05-06-2005, 10:57 PM

Just found another paragraph of notes which contains an important statement Nigel Made:-

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Our battle is not with the EU - European leaders have been open and honest with their electorate ever since Jean Monnet set the process rolling.

Our battle is with the succession of politicians in Westminster who have persistently willfuly lied to the UK public.

My view is that the Eu project is a deception propagted by two parties; the politicians who have lied and the public who have willingly accepted the lies as they didn't want to face the truth of what was being done in their name.

There was one final point from the floor; that if Jack Straw calls off the rferendum we should mount a doorstep petition campaign demanding a referndum, as a means of identifying potential supporters and members.

Intbel · 05-06-2005, 11:10 PM

[quote="Biscuitman"]Just found another paragraph of notes which contains an important statement Nigel Made:-

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Our battle is not with the EU - European leaders have been open and honest with their electorate ever since Jean Monnet set the process rolling.

Our battle is with the succession of politicians in Westminster who have persistently willfuly lied to the UK public.

That was in response from the floor, a person who was concerned that folks were under the impression that UKIP is anti-Europe, not realising it is just anti-EU. That point was not really addressed.

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