Ukip poll

John Carter · 04-06-2005, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

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No, I'm saying that in general the public are stupid. That's why we've got Bliar back in as PM. Take a bunch of normal, reasonably intelligent people... ...put them together and you'll get a sheeplike moronic intelligence from each of them. There's been scientific studies on this. I can't remember what the theory is called but it seems to hold up.

I agree with the sheep like theory but why did they believe the shepherd Blair and why did they not follow the ukip Sheppard

I have no idea - that one is completely beyond me!

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

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I realise what you're saying. However, I believe that it'd be a waste of time - you'll just spend a load of money and get back a bunch of results which tell you exactly what I've said in the summary above.

But are you infallible because I’m not
we could do it through volunteers. Costs nothing then.

Fair enough. Just don't waste any money on it, that's all.

04-06-2005, 11:23 PM

personally if UKIP treat the elctorae as sheep without minds of thier own your not going to get very fair

what becomes really clear if you look at the results expecially in marginal seats people new exacly what they were its called tactical voting and the only way you are going to break the tactical voting cycle is to as i keep muttering on about change the voting system get rid of the tatics which you can see happened have a look at the results yourself

remember if the EU elected via FPTP rather than list systems in all probability UKIP would not have as many seats people when they know who can and who can win in any particular area

UKIP underestimaed the electorate and they responded in kind you all know my thoughts on the leaflet i got but go have a look at some of the other leaflets on the UKIP website in fact one of the leaflets even manages to confuse assylum and immigration

you can't as a party keep snipping from the sidelines saying this is wrong. thats wrong withought offering an alternative on what UKIP would do it was a very negitive message on the leaflets, compare that to the positive leafelts i wsa handing out about saving the post office and the good things about that area and what could be made better and 10 positive reasons to vote lib dems etc

the polls idea is good because if you ask 10 people what UKIP stand for you will get one answer about they want out of the EU but either wont be able to name another policy or alternativly take different things from the leaflets, so yes thier should be something so that UKIP can see what people actually think of the party as it stands

and if it does not match what UKIP think people think about the party then UKIP has a starting point to work from

B.A.Ware · 05-06-2005, 01:32 AM

Scotgirl your infamous I went to the 3rd of June meeting last night and your name came up once or twice for the simple reason what you say is true. I for one believe you are here to try and make people justify what they are saying cant fault that. All I am asking here is should we find out what we spent all that money on and the strange thing is nobody once to post on it maybe I should have bought the race issue in then everyone would have posted: evil:

mkpdavies · 07-06-2005, 04:47 AM

I would definitely be interested in a balance sheet of how all funds central funds are received and then distributed. We do that on a local level, so I would expect it from a national level too!

Seeing as cash seem to be all important and we don't have massive resources, we certainly have to be spot on with the way we spend our cash.

The PEB cost 20k I believe, if a past issue of the UKIP magazine was correct. Was that a good use of money? Apparently 6 million people saw it on T.V. I wonder how many others saw it on the web?

How much do we even set aside for our web campaign? Anything?

arden forester · 07-06-2005, 11:43 AM

Matt -

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How much do we even set aside for our web campaign? Anything?

It seems odd that UKIP has a lot of IT/Internet savvy people on this forum, but not really allowed on the main site.
Question? As the UKIP national admin office is in Birmingham, does this imply that Mike Nattrass controls/runs it?

Alex McKee · 07-06-2005, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by arden forester

Matt -

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How much do we even set aside for our web campaign? Anything?

It seems odd that UKIP has a lot of IT/Internet savvy people on this forum, but not really allowed on the main site.
Question? As the UKIP national admin office is in Birmingham, does this imply that Mike Nattrass controls/runs it?

I have a feeling if Mike Natrass had a greater say we'd be in better shape. He's a good man.

07-06-2005, 04:47 AM	#64 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 31,102 Party: Libertarian Party	I would definitely be interested in a balance sheet of how all funds central funds are received and then distributed. We do that on a local level, so I would expect it from a national level too! Seeing as cash seem to be all important and we don't have massive resources, we certainly have to be spot on with the way we spend our cash. The PEB cost 20k I believe, if a past issue of the UKIP magazine was correct. Was that a good use of money? Apparently 6 million people saw it on T.V. I wonder how many others saw it on the web? How much do we even set aside for our web campaign? Anything? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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04-06-2005, 11:23 PM	#62 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	personally if UKIP treat the elctorae as sheep without minds of thier own your not going to get very fair what becomes really clear if you look at the results expecially in marginal seats people new exacly what they were its called tactical voting and the only way you are going to break the tactical voting cycle is to as i keep muttering on about change the voting system get rid of the tatics which you can see happened have a look at the results yourself remember if the EU elected via FPTP rather than list systems in all probability UKIP would not have as many seats people when they know who can and who can win in any particular area UKIP underestimaed the electorate and they responded in kind you all know my thoughts on the leaflet i got but go have a look at some of the other leaflets on the UKIP website in fact one of the leaflets even manages to confuse assylum and immigration you can't as a party keep snipping from the sidelines saying this is wrong. thats wrong withought offering an alternative on what UKIP would do it was a very negitive message on the leaflets, compare that to the positive leafelts i wsa handing out about saving the post office and the good things about that area and what could be made better and 10 positive reasons to vote lib dems etc the polls idea is good because if you ask 10 people what UKIP stand for you will get one answer about they want out of the EU but either wont be able to name another policy or alternativly take different things from the leaflets, so yes thier should be something so that UKIP can see what people actually think of the party as it stands and if it does not match what UKIP think people think about the party then UKIP has a starting point to work from

05-06-2005, 01:32 AM	#63 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,629 Party: UKIP	Scotgirl your infamous I went to the 3rd of June meeting last night and your name came up once or twice for the simple reason what you say is true. I for one believe you are here to try and make people justify what they are saying cant fault that. All I am asking here is should we find out what we spent all that money on and the strange thing is nobody once to post on it maybe I should have bought the race issue in then everyone would have posted: evil: