again just based on a few people i aksed one being eurosceptic themselves

http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/viewtopic...friend&start=0

gareth2

Stop trying to make the topic a negative one scotgirl, or are you going to tell us that you are here to try and help UKIP to get better and stronger?

Regards,
Gareth.

B.A.ware asked what people who were not as close to UKIP and i count myself in that bracket also thought about the message so my post was relevient

What do you want me to say that every thing is alright within UKIP that they are doing fantasticly that all thier decisions are wonderful UKIP dont need me to say those things as roger is doing that already

the truth is things arnt wonderful within UKIP at the moment the fact several people here have stated that they were uncomfortable with the immigration leaflet

Gareth you seem slightly obsessed with my opinins please try to read what i say and if i go of topic then please feel free to correct me but if its on topic and relevent then i dont see your problem

gareth2

Ok, i think all UKIP people should be entitled to know why other people are on this forum.

Ill start; I want to see a coherant right. I certainly am not angling for a BNP/UKIP merger, that would be a sad day for both our parties. What i do want is for ukip to hoover up many of the smaller anti-EU parties, when they get thier damn leadership sorted out (ill lend them a tire iron if they need it)

Then, they will be able to present an anti EU face that the BBC will actually show on TV, and with a votor percentage that means a damn.

So, what are your interests here Scotgirl? I guess im obsessed with you because i love a mystery.

B.A.Ware

Gareth2 this topic is not about scotgirl can stay on topic pleeeeeze

This is what I mean Scotgirl we spend thousands putting out the message and do no research on the impact it is having on the general public. All of the best products in the market do market research to see what impact they are making so why don’t we.
As no one seems to be answering the question I am asking I will ask it again.
Should we do post election polls to find out exactly how our message was received by the general public.

John Carter

No.

1) The general public are stupid. Not individually, of course, but when you put them all together to try and find some kind of overall pattern to their logic, this is certainly the case.

2) Trying to cater for the results of any survey will lead to a perceived weakening in position.

The fact is, between us we know what's wrong with UKIP, why we aren't polling more. No need to ask the public.

Oh. And take no notice of the Scots. If they had to pay for their parliament themselves instead of using English money they'd be singing a different tune. I don't even know why UKIP are bothering wasting money campaigning in Scotland.

so are you suggesting that UK independance party should change its name and become an English party only

or how about merging with the english demograts and ignorning the Scottish altoghether or treating them with even more contempt just like Thatcher did or you could let the scottish keep thier own money instead of taking and then giving it back and then seeming like some big benefacter rather than realising that some of the money will have come from scotland in the first place

Mikeuk

One often hears the ridiculous plea 'Why can't the patriotic right parties all join together and speak with one voice?' always from armchair waffle specialists who are - or have become - totally divorced from the realities of politics.

For a start UKIP libertarian internationalists on this board would doubtless question the term 'patriotic right'. Actually I believe that to all intents and purposes, that is a correct description of UKIP, but there will be a noisy dissenting minority I don't doubt.

As for the BNP, apart from matters of 'race', there are 1001 reasons why UKIP could never make common cause with them. We could start, for example, with questions regarding alleged accounting irregularities, not to mention the serious criminal convictions of some senior members.

Then we have the English Democratic Party and its imitators. These people are obsessed with the idea of a separate English Parliament, which goes completely against the grain as far as UKIP is concerned. Their apparent hostility towards Scotland, Wales and NI I find extremely distasteful, and their belief that yet another mini-parliament would do anything other than make the EU very happy is pitiful.

UKIP's record of success is unique for any minor UK party other than the Celtic Nationalist groups. UKIP, therefore, does not have to defer to groupuscules of the anti-EU right. Their members can accept UKIP’s policies and join UKIP, or they can continue to stagnate on the outer fringe

The choice is theirs.

John Carter

I'm suggesting that UKIP take notice of your friend's opinions.

Yeah. All that too. You guys keep your own money and we'll keep ours. You guys keep your own politicians and we'll keep ours.

You guys up there are so out of touch with the anti-EU movement here in England that there's little point in bothering wasting resources trying to convince you. In essence you're so focused on breaking from Westminster rule that you'd do anything (including being under direct control of Babel) to achieve this aim.

So what's the point in wasting time on you?

john are you suggesting scottish independance which is somehting i really dont want to happen as i cant see who it would benefit