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Yes 11 44.00%
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Old 18-05-2005, 04:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Should gays be allowed to marry?

I'm an evangelical Christian, so I would have to say no. How about you guys?
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Old 18-05-2005, 04:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Couldn't care less what two concenting adults do with each other.

The church doesn't have to get involved.
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I'm Christian and find the idea of gay marriage in church to be anathema.

However, if two people want to have some alternative humanist marriage ceremony then that's none of my business ergo I couldn't care less.

I suppose the real question is should the state recognise gay marriage as equal with the ordinary version?

One the one hand, there's no immediate reason why not. On the other, it does no favours for the status of marriage (already devalued by divorce on demand and gold diggers) and has implications for social cohesion. I think we should take marriage more seriously and leave it to those who truly believe in it. Once you take away the spritual context, marriage is just another human contract i.e. only as good as the contractees lawyers. Why even bother to get married if that's all it is?

Personally, I say 'no' to the poll question, but it's not a simple decision. If you dismiss the religion thing then the answer is yes on grounds of basic political equality. If not, the waters get a lot murkier. I think faith is a matter for the individual and should be between him and God, rather than be a political stance. Perhaps this is a policy area that UKIP might do well to have no policy on?
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I think that gays should be allowed to enter INTO phpbb_some sort of legally recognised "civil union".

Calling it "marriage" is always emotive though - as we can clearly see above.

Look at the legal argument. If a gay couple have been living together for many years and one of them dies, without any legal recognition of their union, the surviving partner cannot inherit. I feel that this is unfair.
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I think that gays should be allowed to enter INTO phpbb_some sort of legally recognised "civil union".

Calling it "marriage" is always emotive though - as we can clearly see above.

Look at the legal argument. If a gay couple have been living together for many years and one of them dies, without any legal recognition of their union, the surviving partner cannot inherit. I feel that this is unfair.
I agree, there does need to be some legal civil bonding, as far as the christian churches are concerned, I understand that their greatest crusader may have been of (im not sure how to put this, so I apologise for any offence) a gay nature.
I know a number of people who are gay, and whilst I'll be honest, and say that I don't understand it, but I do understand that love is love irrespective of sexuality, and to treat someone in a discriminative way is not on. If two consenting adults whatever their sex choose to show love for each other who has the right to interfere between them?
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I don’t care if people are gay but what I don’t agree with is trying to make it the norm it is not if it were we as the human race would die out.
Marriage is a union of man and women. If gay people want to live together who cares, that’s up to them. I believe live and let live but that should not encroach on the basis of family life.
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I don’t care if people are gay but what I don’t agree with is trying to make it the norm it is not if it were we as the human race would die out.
Marriage is a union of man and women. If gay people want to live together who cares, that’s up to them. I believe live and let live but that should not encroach on the basis of family life.
Marriage is a union of two people. Period.

Having married, gays do not "encroach on the basis of family life" at all.
In fact, they are enhancing it by demonstrating that two people can live together in harmony and by demonstrating that love can overcome what some may perceive as being physical limitations and also overcome a large chunk of society's discrimination against them.

There are those to whom, because they hold to certain religious beliefs, any relationship between folks of the same gender is anathema.
Unfortunately, such beliefs have a tendency to prevent those who hold them from looking at things realistically or objectively. I don't know how to get around this one, for folks do not give up their sincerely held beliefs, no matter on what basis they may be founded, easily.

It's amazing what some priests will tell their congregation is "sinful" behaviour. "Catch 'em while they're young and give 'em guilt complexes for life" seems to be the order of the day.

Oh well, at least they keep the psychotherapists in business.


P.S. To the Christians who read this, would you be so kind as to show me where Jesus preached that homosexuality is not a good thing please? I have looked, but have been unable to find any reference to himself saying those words though they have been uttered by others. But then, Christianity is founded on the teachings of Jesus, not others, is that not so?
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I think that gays should be allowed to enter INTO phpbb_some sort of legally recognised "civil union".

Calling it "marriage" is always emotive though - as we can clearly see above.

Look at the legal argument. If a gay couple have been living together for many years and one of them dies, without any legal recognition of their union, the surviving partner cannot inherit. I feel that this is unfair.
Spot on.
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I don’t care if people are gay but what I don’t agree with is trying to make it the norm it is not if it were we as the human race would die out.
Marriage is a union of man and women. If gay people want to live together who cares, that’s up to them. I believe live and let live but that should not encroach on the basis of family life.
Theres nowt wrong with giving them legal rights, in the same way that a married couple have. Surely?
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the surviving partner cannot inherit. I feel that this is unfair.

this happens in a marraige of man & woman so it is not just for same sex people, My mates brother in law, is being sued by his wifes son, for part of the money from his bussiness that he sold after she died, the step son says half of it was his mothers, he only spent about 30 years building it up and she appeared on the scene for about 5 years. so he has to go to court to keep hold of his own property.
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