Gay marriage?

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 02:21 PM

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This is always a problem, the warrant card ruins the lines of my little red number.

You can get these neato dinky handbags now you know.
Most elegant they are.
Most convenient for holding warrant cards, pepper sprays an' suchlike.

FuroraCeltica · 19-05-2005, 03:38 PM

Understood. No offence intended, you did say "I'm an evangelical Christian, so I would have to say no" which reads as if you are blaming evangelical Christianity for your answer as opposed to taking responsibility for it yourself.

Still, evangelical Christianity is your choice anyway so I guess it amounts to the same thing.

No worries, just wanting to gain some understanding here.

So, what did Jesus have to say about such matters?[/quote]

Dont worry, no offense taken

Jesus never explicitly mentioned homosexuality in his teachings, but he did implicitly support heterosexual marriage as the only legitimate form of marriage.

Matthew 19:5 - and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?

Mark 10:7 - 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,

Note that he says a "man" be joined to a "woman"; NOT a "person" shall be joined to a "person", in which case gays could have had some argument.

Furthermore, he never claimed to be making old rulings redundant (Matthew 5:17 - "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them), and the Old Testament also condemns homosexuality. Any Christian who tells you otherwise isn't reading his Bible.

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 03:50 PM

That's right.

Jesus never actually spoke of homosexuality let alone condemned it.

Which is why I have always failed to understand why Christians claim their Christianity as a reason for condemning homosexuality.

And I still do not understand it.

My personl thoughts are that Jesus was concerned about man's spiritual welfare and progression and so long as folks followed his requests to love one another that is all that is required.

I suspect that homosexual activities being of a purely physical/material nature he never considered at all.

John Carter · 19-05-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

That's right.

Jesus never actually spoke of homosexuality let alone condemned it.

Except for the fact that Jesus is God, God is Jesus. God didn't approve of the act back in the Old Testament. Jesus said that He hadn't come to replace the law (as, of course, these were His laws anyways), so the law still stands.

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Originally Posted by Intbel

That's right.
Jesus never actually spoke of homosexuality let alone condemned it.

Except for the fact that Jesus is God, God is Jesus. God didn't approve of the act back in the Old Testament. Jesus said that He hadn't come to replace the law (as, of course, these were His laws anyways), so the law still stands.

Sorry, I accept none of that.

That Jesus is an expression of the oneness we call 'God' I'll agree.
However, each of us is also an expression of that oneness.
Jesus was no more or less a man than you or I - it was just that he was a more highly developed spiritual being than we.
We also are spiritual beings and if we follow his teachings, in time we may also achieve this high level of spirituality.
This is my understanding which I believe, at this time, to be true.

Bluemerle · 19-05-2005, 04:52 PM

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He was not flaunting his sexuality in public. He was being himself in a club.
As to flaunting in front of his men - that is a gross distortion of the truth.
As I understand things, there was no problem until other officers went in to get him. What did they expect in a gay bar anyway?

Wrong, he was on duty that is why he should have been dressed appropriately. They couldn't find him to start with and eventually were forced to go INTO phpbb_the Gay Club to get him out.

It is no wonder the country is going to the dogs.

If you feel this behaviour is appropriate for a top Policeman, I think you have some very strange ideas.

No offence Intbel, but are we to take it that you feel at home in high heels and lipstick??

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 05:01 PM

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If you feel this behaviour is appropriate for a top Policeman, I think you have some very strange ideas.

Ah ... I thought he was off duty.
That makes a difference.
Sorry about that, my bad

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No offence Intbel, but are we to take it that you feel at home in high heels and lipstick??

Dunno. Never tried either.
Still got my winklepickers with cuban heels - do they count?

Bluemerle · 19-05-2005, 05:05 PM

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Dunno. Never tried either.
Still got my winklepickers with cuban heels - do they count?

They'll come back INTO phpbb_fashion one day

Intbel · 19-05-2005, 05:22 PM

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Dunno. Never tried either.
Still got my winklepickers with cuban heels - do they count?

They'll come back INTO phpbb_fashion one day

An' me drape?

An' wot abaht me broffel creepers? (Suede, blue. Natch)

John Carter · 19-05-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by John Carter

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Originally Posted by Intbel

That's right.
Jesus never actually spoke of homosexuality let alone condemned it.

Except for the fact that Jesus is God, God is Jesus. God didn't approve of the act back in the Old Testament. Jesus said that He hadn't come to replace the law (as, of course, these were His laws anyways), so the law still stands.

Sorry, I accept none of that.

That Jesus is an expression of the oneness we call 'God' I'll agree.
However, each of us is also an expression of that oneness.
Jesus was no more or less a man than you or I - it was just that he was a more highly developed spiritual being than we.
We also are spiritual beings and if we follow his teachings, in time we may also achieve this high level of spirituality.
This is my understanding which I believe, at this time, to be true.

That's fair enough - you're allowed to believe what you wish to believe.

I posted simply to explain to you why Christians (who do believe that Jesus is God, hence their being Christians) are generally anti-gay.

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19-05-2005, 03:38 PM	#32 (permalink)
FuroraCeltica Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 448	Re: Gay marriage? Understood. No offence intended, you did say "I'm an evangelical Christian, so I would have to say no" which reads as if you are blaming evangelical Christianity for your answer as opposed to taking responsibility for it yourself. Still, evangelical Christianity is your choice anyway so I guess it amounts to the same thing. No worries, just wanting to gain some understanding here. So, what did Jesus have to say about such matters?[/quote] Dont worry, no offense taken Jesus never explicitly mentioned homosexuality in his teachings, but he did implicitly support heterosexual marriage as the only legitimate form of marriage. Matthew 19:5 - and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? Mark 10:7 - 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, Note that he says a "man" be joined to a "woman"; NOT a "person" shall be joined to a "person", in which case gays could have had some argument. Furthermore, he never claimed to be making old rulings redundant (Matthew 5:17 - "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them), and the Old Testament also condemns homosexuality. Any Christian who tells you otherwise isn't reading his Bible. __________________ Every great movement must experience three stages: ridicule, discussion, adoption. John Stuart Mill One person with a belief is equal to ninety-nine who have only interests. Stuart Mill

19-05-2005, 03:50 PM	#33 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	That's right. Jesus never actually spoke of homosexuality let alone condemned it. Which is why I have always failed to understand why Christians claim their Christianity as a reason for condemning homosexuality. And I still do not understand it. My personl thoughts are that Jesus was concerned about man's spiritual welfare and progression and so long as folks followed his requests to love one another that is all that is required. I suspect that homosexual activities being of a purely physical/material nature he never considered at all. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

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