Look in on Ashley Mote

Alex McKee · 24-05-2005, 11:14 AM

And I'd like to remind people that we still regard people as innocent before proven Guilty.

SCole · 24-05-2005, 02:16 PM

Alex and Bluemerle - you're both right and we shouldn't jump to conclusions.... but then I may be wrong but wasn't his court case's date set well before he was selected as a candidate?
Is it true too that the only way UKIP found out was because of an article in the telegraph?

Before even applying to stack shelves in Sainsbury's you're asked if you have any convictions or upcoming court cases, surely UKIP would have asked the same? Did he lie to the party or simply forget to mention it?

Does seem a little strange that a man as distigushed as he (director of a multinational marketing business, sucsessful author and communications specialist.... according to his own website) should need to stand next to the assylum seakers in his local post office que every tuesay.....

Alex McKee · 24-05-2005, 03:15 PM

He failed to disclose this upcoming court case and the earlier investigation to UKIP when putting his name to the list for the Europarl elections.

That's why he is suspended from the party at this time. As for his court case I will leave it up to that court to find him innocent or guilty whichever he is.

I do not have an opinion as we do not know enough. None of us.

Rgds

Alex

chikrodah · 25-05-2005, 07:27 AM

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I do not have an opinion as we do not know enough. None of us.

Some of us (including his ex-researcher) know more than enough to base our stance on fact rather than opinion. That doesn't stop us from defending his right to a fair trial.

Too much reporting on the subject could ensure that justice isn't done either way, hence Aiken J's ruling.

The EU will no doubt make it's decision known when it's ready and then Ashley should get his chance to argue his case. :?

Alex McKee · 25-05-2005, 10:27 AM

absolutely.

SCole · 26-05-2005, 07:06 PM

EU - what's it got to do with the EU?

It was housing benefit he's said to have fiddled so it's stricktly our pockets it would've come from!

Alex McKee · 26-05-2005, 07:19 PM

He's an MEP they will have to either allow him to be tried for this or to suspend it until his term is up.

SCole · 26-05-2005, 10:50 PM

Gosh - bet him (and probably the rest of UKIP) are crossing their fingures and hoping the EU suspend justice till his term is up - if he gets sentanced, suspended or not its not the best publicity!

.... but then I guess either way it adds some level of validity to the claim that MEPs are a bunch of fraudsters just in it for the money! :wink:

Aardvark · 27-05-2005, 04:24 PM

Of course if he is given immunity by the EU he will be the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth. In his books and articles he rails against those who claim immunity because of their relationship with Brussels - Europol etc If Ashley Mote is granted immunity from prosecution he will be the first Englishman since the 1688 Bill of Rights to have established that he is above the law. One law for Ashley Mote, one law for the other 59 million of us!!!!!!!!! Other MEPs from other countires waive their immunity as a matter off course. There was a German MEP involved in a road accident a few months ago who had no qualms waiving his immunity.

The reason the matter is before the European Parliament in the first place is that Ashley Mote's lawyers are trying to drag the case out. If he passes his 70th birthday then, even if found guilty, he is unlikely to get more than 12 months inside. Since he can retain his seat in Parliament with a sentence of 12 months or less this means that he could in theory campaign against EU fraud from a prison cell!!! Ashley Mote, on being charged, was entitled to go to the European Parliament and ask for his immunity to be waived. Instead he has chosen to fight the system.

I have stood for Parliament for UKIP. I had to fill in a declaration the same as Mote. He knew when he filled in the form that he had been interviewed under caution - the matter had been going on for over 12 months before he stood for election. Perhaps he expected to get elected and gain the immunity he needed to keep him out of court.

If you go to Borders and buy a copy of 'Sprout' magazine you will see, in Political Tourists, that AM's business is in liquidation and he owes his researcher thousands of pounds. Not very inspiring!

Incidentally, in a recent item on his website, AM criticises the fact that overseas accounts are subject to investigation under British law. is this the same man who asked Dalia Grybauskaite, Budget Commissioner, how many overseas accounts the EU has? Why does he feel that private individuals should be able to hold offshore accounts, but that the EU, with offices and interests overseas, should not.

Bluemerle · 27-05-2005, 05:24 PM

The powers that be have been trying to get something on AM for years. They do the same to all people who try to undermine their comfortable, corrupt ways. We should all watch our steps. :evil:

24-05-2005, 11:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,634	And I'd like to remind people that we still regard people as innocent before proven Guilty. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None.

24-05-2005, 03:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,634	He failed to disclose this upcoming court case and the earlier investigation to UKIP when putting his name to the list for the Europarl elections. That's why he is suspended from the party at this time. As for his court case I will leave it up to that court to find him innocent or guilty whichever he is. I do not have an opinion as we do not know enough. None of us. Rgds Alex __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None.

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Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,634	absolutely. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None.

26-05-2005, 07:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,634	He's an MEP they will have to either allow him to be tried for this or to suspend it until his term is up. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None.

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24-05-2005, 02:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
SCole Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folkestone, Kent. Posts: 70	Alex and Bluemerle - you're both right and we shouldn't jump to conclusions.... but then I may be wrong but wasn't his court case's date set well before he was selected as a candidate? Is it true too that the only way UKIP found out was because of an article in the telegraph? Before even applying to stack shelves in Sainsbury's you're asked if you have any convictions or upcoming court cases, surely UKIP would have asked the same? Did he lie to the party or simply forget to mention it? Does seem a little strange that a man as distigushed as he (director of a multinational marketing business, sucsessful author and communications specialist.... according to his own website) should need to stand next to the assylum seakers in his local post office que every tuesay.....

26-05-2005, 07:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
SCole Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folkestone, Kent. Posts: 70	EU - what's it got to do with the EU? It was housing benefit he's said to have fiddled so it's stricktly our pockets it would've come from!

26-05-2005, 10:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
SCole Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Folkestone, Kent. Posts: 70	Gosh - bet him (and probably the rest of UKIP) are crossing their fingures and hoping the EU suspend justice till his term is up - if he gets sentanced, suspended or not its not the best publicity! .... but then I guess either way it adds some level of validity to the claim that MEPs are a bunch of fraudsters just in it for the money! :wink:

27-05-2005, 04:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 3,556	Of course if he is given immunity by the EU he will be the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth. In his books and articles he rails against those who claim immunity because of their relationship with Brussels - Europol etc If Ashley Mote is granted immunity from prosecution he will be the first Englishman since the 1688 Bill of Rights to have established that he is above the law. One law for Ashley Mote, one law for the other 59 million of us!!!!!!!!! Other MEPs from other countires waive their immunity as a matter off course. There was a German MEP involved in a road accident a few months ago who had no qualms waiving his immunity. The reason the matter is before the European Parliament in the first place is that Ashley Mote's lawyers are trying to drag the case out. If he passes his 70th birthday then, even if found guilty, he is unlikely to get more than 12 months inside. Since he can retain his seat in Parliament with a sentence of 12 months or less this means that he could in theory campaign against EU fraud from a prison cell!!! Ashley Mote, on being charged, was entitled to go to the European Parliament and ask for his immunity to be waived. Instead he has chosen to fight the system. I have stood for Parliament for UKIP. I had to fill in a declaration the same as Mote. He knew when he filled in the form that he had been interviewed under caution - the matter had been going on for over 12 months before he stood for election. Perhaps he expected to get elected and gain the immunity he needed to keep him out of court. If you go to Borders and buy a copy of 'Sprout' magazine you will see, in Political Tourists, that AM's business is in liquidation and he owes his researcher thousands of pounds. Not very inspiring! Incidentally, in a recent item on his website, AM criticises the fact that overseas accounts are subject to investigation under British law. is this the same man who asked Dalia Grybauskaite, Budget Commissioner, how many overseas accounts the EU has? Why does he feel that private individuals should be able to hold offshore accounts, but that the EU, with offices and interests overseas, should not.

27-05-2005, 05:24 PM	#20 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,248	The powers that be have been trying to get something on AM for years. They do the same to all people who try to undermine their comfortable, corrupt ways. We should all watch our steps. :evil: