Use of cartoons?

mkpdavies · 07-05-2005, 11:56 AM

I didn't really know if the cartoon idea was good or not. On one hand we had to get interest in our leaflets and a picture paints a thousand words. On the other hand though, did it make us look serious?

The fact that no other party does it makes me wonder, but as there are so many factors to consider, I don't know if this was a blunder or not yet.

What does everyone else think?

Paul Birch · 07-05-2005, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I didn't really know if the cartoon idea was good or not. On one hand we had to get interest in our leaflets and a picture paints a thousand words. On the other hand though, did it make us look serious?

The fact that no other party does it makes me wonder, but as there are so many factors to consider, I don't know if this was a blunder or not yet.

What does everyone else think?

I don't know. They're not to my taste, but many people like them. If no other party uses them we should probably continue to use them; a distinctive image is good for us, just as distinctive policies would be.

07-05-2005, 12:08 PM

ill post something that i posted when i first got my leaflet though and a showed it to a few friends

Quote:

Friend Two (had not heard of UKIP)

general impression on reading the brocure that it was like the Sun Newspaper all headlines and no content Friend two got expecially upset about the cartoon on the front found it very unproffessional from a political party would not vote for UKIP but feels the leaflet would appeal to the white van man mentality

ie appeal to the Sun reader mentality but not really anyone else personally i dont think they help either dont know if they lose any votes but the cartoon wont gain you any in my opinion

B.A.Ware · 07-05-2005, 12:10 PM

Personally I wasn’t that keen on them. It was precious space that we should have listed the failings of the other parties and promoted some of our manifesto policies.

mkpdavies · 07-05-2005, 12:17 PM

The immigration one (the one they printed 90% of) AND put on our election addresses. I think it did us more harm than good.

Our own members were uncomfortable about handing them out in town. For me that speaks volumes.

I was uncomfortable about the focus we put on it too. I think we have to accept that while it is an issue, it is just one of many.

Britain is a PC country and the image this conjured up of UKIP was not good.

B.A.Ware · 07-05-2005, 12:20 PM

I totally agree with your post on the immigration leaflet. I live in a bit of a leafy suburb and was very selective where I posted them. I myself was not comfortable about giving them out. Now that cant be right can it. :cry:

Alex McKee · 07-05-2005, 12:23 PM

I was always critical of the emphasis on the Immigration Leaflet. Almost every (active) member in Gloucester didn't like them.

If our own members don't like them we really should not use them!

In future the party should produce these leaflets in a sample set and get people in to test them: response to each in turn type thing.

It would sound out the feeling of the average potential UKIP voter and we could avoid this from happening again.

UKIP MAN · 07-05-2005, 12:28 PM

The pensioner one was ok, but as you say the immigration one was a bit daunting to give away as you didnt know how people would take it, if they just looked they didnt get the facts they had to read the little caption.

I didnt think it gave enough information. the six bits on the back was the same so if you gave them the two there was nothing to read.

when I started in january I was giving out some leaflets from the civil liberties which gave people information, and something to think about.

where I live they have a residents association and they put out a small leaflet every month, no cost to the public but it gives people the chance to find things out, I think that we should publish a similar leaflet and do the same about the EU. I know we get the UKIP bulleting but it dousent get around to the public unless they buy it.

also UKIP TV on sattelite.....

Michael Hillier · 07-05-2005, 01:40 PM

I like the cartoon idea. I do not know how many people read all the leaflets that are put through but a GOOD cartoon will get peoples attention.

All the attention on immigration was down to Dick Morris. I believe he got this point wrong. At a meeting a few weeks before the election I said this to Roger Knapman and he told me that they were following Dick Morris all the way. I would have rather put a Labour or Tory emblem on our election address and have made out that it came from them!! (I would have delivered them as well) in fact I was totally discusted with our address. Labour address about hard working families, putting children first and Healthcare, our address made us look like we were racial!!

I am not saying that our poor results would have been any different (I do personally think we would have had a few more votes) but the campaign was our downfall. I wonder if it was masterminded by the Tories? I thought that the Party Election Broadcast was excellent.

I agree with Alex in producing a sample set and sending them to Branches to see what we think as this must never be allowed to happen again.

Alex McKee · 07-05-2005, 01:49 PM

Cheers Michael.

Yeah if we can all push the leadership INTO phpbb_providing a sample set we can prevent this happening again.

Also I rather liked some of the cartoons but others were ineffective and poor.
When I saw the election adress I knew it was a catastrophic mistake as I would have been put off by it, and my cousin who was going to vote for us also was and ended up voting GREEN!

But that said most of the cartoons were O.K.

07-05-2005, 11:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Use of cartoons? I didn't really know if the cartoon idea was good or not. On one hand we had to get interest in our leaflets and a picture paints a thousand words. On the other hand though, did it make us look serious? The fact that no other party does it makes me wonder, but as there are so many factors to consider, I don't know if this was a blunder or not yet. What does everyone else think? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-05-2005, 12:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	The immigration one (the one they printed 90% of) AND put on our election addresses. I think it did us more harm than good. Our own members were uncomfortable about handing them out in town. For me that speaks volumes. I was uncomfortable about the focus we put on it too. I think we have to accept that while it is an issue, it is just one of many. Britain is a PC country and the image this conjured up of UKIP was not good. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-05-2005, 12:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,616	I was always critical of the emphasis on the Immigration Leaflet. Almost every (active) member in Gloucester didn't like them. If our own members don't like them we really should not use them! In future the party should produce these leaflets in a sample set and get people in to test them: response to each in turn type thing. It would sound out the feeling of the average potential UKIP voter and we could avoid this from happening again. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None. Please click one of these once a day: http://gloucesterr.myminicity.com/tra

07-05-2005, 01:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Alex McKee Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gloucester Posts: 6,616	Cheers Michael. Yeah if we can all push the leadership INTO phpbb_providing a sample set we can prevent this happening again. Also I rather liked some of the cartoons but others were ineffective and poor. When I saw the election adress I knew it was a catastrophic mistake as I would have been put off by it, and my cousin who was going to vote for us also was and ended up voting GREEN! But that said most of the cartoons were O.K. __________________ Anything I post on this website is my personal opinion and not necessarily my professional opinion (unless stated as such) nor is an opinion necessarily shared by any committee or group I am affiliated with. Users on Ignore list: None. Please click one of these once a day: http://gloucesterr.myminicity.com/tra

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07-05-2005, 12:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,101 Party: UKIP	Personally I wasn’t that keen on them. It was precious space that we should have listed the failings of the other parties and promoted some of our manifesto policies.

07-05-2005, 12:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,101 Party: UKIP	I totally agree with your post on the immigration leaflet. I live in a bit of a leafy suburb and was very selective where I posted them. I myself was not comfortable about giving them out. Now that cant be right can it. :cry:

07-05-2005, 12:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
UKIP MAN Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,895	The pensioner one was ok, but as you say the immigration one was a bit daunting to give away as you didnt know how people would take it, if they just looked they didnt get the facts they had to read the little caption. I didnt think it gave enough information. the six bits on the back was the same so if you gave them the two there was nothing to read. when I started in january I was giving out some leaflets from the civil liberties which gave people information, and something to think about. where I live they have a residents association and they put out a small leaflet every month, no cost to the public but it gives people the chance to find things out, I think that we should publish a similar leaflet and do the same about the EU. I know we get the UKIP bulleting but it dousent get around to the public unless they buy it. also UKIP TV on sattelite.....

07-05-2005, 01:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
Michael Hillier Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bournemouth, Dorset Posts: 363	I like the cartoon idea. I do not know how many people read all the leaflets that are put through but a GOOD cartoon will get peoples attention. All the attention on immigration was down to Dick Morris. I believe he got this point wrong. At a meeting a few weeks before the election I said this to Roger Knapman and he told me that they were following Dick Morris all the way. I would have rather put a Labour or Tory emblem on our election address and have made out that it came from them!! (I would have delivered them as well) in fact I was totally discusted with our address. Labour address about hard working families, putting children first and Healthcare, our address made us look like we were racial!! I am not saying that our poor results would have been any different (I do personally think we would have had a few more votes) but the campaign was our downfall. I wonder if it was masterminded by the Tories? I thought that the Party Election Broadcast was excellent. I agree with Alex in producing a sample set and sending them to Branches to see what we think as this must never be allowed to happen again.