People should know about this

MrMoor · 29-03-2005, 07:33 PM

"By 1938, Henri Spaak, one of the founding fathers of the EU, was openly calling himself a 'national socialist' (Nazi). He talked of Hitler's 'magnificent achievements'. He was one of the activists who encouraged Belgian rail workers to strike when Germany invaded in 1940, and he helped ensure that the British and French troops failed to establish a defensive line against the invaders.

On 22nd June 1940, Hermann Goering made the first reference to what he called 'the European Economic Community'. At a conference held in Germany at that time, it was suggested that 'England has to be evicted from the continent once and for all, and the new Europe keep its distance from the United States.'"

That same year, the former Kaiser Wilhelm wrote: "We are becoming a United States of Europe under German leadership, a united Europe."

One of the chief architects of a future, integrated Europe was SS-General Reinhard Heydrich, Heinrich Himmler's deputy, head of the Reich security apparatus, and perhaps one of the most feared men in Germany. It was Heydrich's task to solve the economic problems of the expanding Reich. Later he would pioneer his infamous Endlösung, or Final Solution, to what Hitler termed 'the Jewish Problem'.

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Reinhard Heydrich, look what happened to him, heed well EU apparatchicks.
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"The European parliament and the commission are allies against the member states. Together we have to prevent the member states from taking back power." President of the European parliament, speaking on Radio 4, July 1999

"When we build the house of Europe, the future will belong to Germany." Helmut Kohl, speaking in Germany, unaware that reporters were present

"Germany, as the biggest and most powerful economic member state will be the leader [of Europe] whether you like it or not." Theo Waigel, former German finance minister, 1997

"The top priority is to turn the EU INTO phpbb_a single political state." Joshka Fischer, German foreign minister, quoted in The Times, November 1998

"Never again must there be a destabilising vacuum of power in central Europe. If European integration were not to progress, Germany might be called upon, or tempted by its own security constraints, to try to effect the stabilisation on its own and in the traditional way." German CDU parliamentary committee on European affairs, September 1994

"Why does Europe need fifteen foreign ministers when one is enough? Why do member states still need national armies? One European army is enough." Hans Eichel, German finance minister, November 1999

http://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclu.../germaneec.htm

People of the UK should know exactly what the EU is based upon, at least one of the founding fathers of the EU was a Nazi. That would be enough, but there's all this too.

Sheila · 30-03-2005, 10:15 AM

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"By 1938, Henri Spaak, one of the founding fathers of the EU, was openly calling himself a 'national socialist' (Nazi). He talked of Hitler's 'magnificent achievements'. He was one of the activists who encouraged Belgian rail workers to strike when Germany invaded in 1940, and he helped ensure that the British and French troops failed to establish a defensive line against the invaders.

. Paul-Henri Spaak was indeed one of the "founding fathers" of the EU, but in 1940 he was Foreign Minister of Belgium and when Belgium was invaded he went to Paris and then to London with the Belgian "government in exile". Are you sure you are talking about the same person?

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MrMoor · 30-03-2005, 06:58 PM

http://www.cegesoma.be/The_Publicati..._bijdragen.htm

"The new Minister of Justice in the tripartite government headed by Paul-Henri Spaak, Joseph Pholien, prompted by the success of Rex in the elections of 1936, sought to break with this tolerant policy towards the Jewish refugees. The inflexible policy of expulsion adopted by the politically inexperienced and unsubtle conservative Catholic politician came directly INTO phpbb_conflict with the Socialist patron Emile Vandervelde, who used this symbolic dossier to engage in a new confrontation with his pragmatic party colleague, the prime minister Paul-Henri Spaak."

http://www.wpb.be/doc/doc/1may96c.htm

In the years 1935-1939 Spaak and De Man formed an inseparable duo. In May 1939 De Man was chosen as chairman of the party thanks to the support of Spaak. Together they defended their program of 'national socialism' which 'preached that socialism was only inspired by common wellfare and national interest' and that 'it put all productive classes on the same footing'. (134)
'In 1939', said De Man, 'Spaak and I demanded an 'authoritarian democracy'. We said that it was wrong to regard the 'fascist' movements as attempts at restoration by the reaction whereas in reality they played a revolutionary role.' (135)
When Hitler occupied Belgium, Hendrik de Man, the chairman of the SP/PS, published a Manifesto in the name of his party: 'This is what I ask you to do. Do not believe that resistance should be offered to the occupying forces. Rather, accept the fact of their victory and try to learn from it. For the working classes and for socialism this collapse of a decayed world is a liberation rather than a disaster. The road is open to the two aims in which the people's aspirations are summed up: peace in Europe and social justice.' (136)
They say that the Workers' Party of Belgium 'plays the game of the extreme right' by criticizing and opposing the capitalist and imperialist policy of the SP/PS leaders. That is simply brainwashing. Already in 1939 the two thinkers of the SP/PS, Spaak and De Man, were such tenacious defenders of capitalism and imperialism, that they saluted the 'revolutionary role' of the fascist parties! In 1940 the socialist party had become so degenerated that it formed an alliance with Hitler fascism. On the 23 August 1940 Achiel van Acker, who was to become Prime Minister of a 'democratic' government, signed the Manifesto of De Man and he pronounced himself 'in favour of the new order.' (137)

I hope that this makes it more clear. It was something that I discovered recently and it really opened my eyes to the true roots of the European Union.

Sheila · 31-03-2005, 02:18 PM

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Well, no, I don't think that that makes anything clear at all. Certainly doesn't say anything about railworkers strikes.

In any case, I think it is probably unsafe to make a direct correlation between people's pre-war views and their post-war activities. What happened between 1939 and 1945 had a profound effect on many people's attitiudes - there were many people who had "appeasement" tendencies in the 1930s who changed their minds once the war had started or as a result of their experiences.

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29-03-2005, 07:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	People should know about this "By 1938, Henri Spaak, one of the founding fathers of the EU, was openly calling himself a 'national socialist' (Nazi). He talked of Hitler's 'magnificent achievements'. He was one of the activists who encouraged Belgian rail workers to strike when Germany invaded in 1940, and he helped ensure that the British and French troops failed to establish a defensive line against the invaders. On 22nd June 1940, Hermann Goering made the first reference to what he called 'the European Economic Community'. At a conference held in Germany at that time, it was suggested that 'England has to be evicted from the continent once and for all, and the new Europe keep its distance from the United States.'" That same year, the former Kaiser Wilhelm wrote: "We are becoming a United States of Europe under German leadership, a united Europe." One of the chief architects of a future, integrated Europe was SS-General Reinhard Heydrich, Heinrich Himmler's deputy, head of the Reich security apparatus, and perhaps one of the most feared men in Germany. It was Heydrich's task to solve the economic problems of the expanding Reich. Later he would pioneer his infamous Endlösung, or Final Solution, to what Hitler termed 'the Jewish Problem'. ---------------------------------------------------------- Reinhard Heydrich, look what happened to him, heed well EU apparatchicks. ---------------------------------------------------------- "The European parliament and the commission are allies against the member states. Together we have to prevent the member states from taking back power." President of the European parliament, speaking on Radio 4, July 1999 "When we build the house of Europe, the future will belong to Germany." Helmut Kohl, speaking in Germany, unaware that reporters were present "Germany, as the biggest and most powerful economic member state will be the leader [of Europe] whether you like it or not." Theo Waigel, former German finance minister, 1997 "The top priority is to turn the EU INTO phpbb_a single political state." Joshka Fischer, German foreign minister, quoted in The Times, November 1998 "Never again must there be a destabilising vacuum of power in central Europe. If European integration were not to progress, Germany might be called upon, or tempted by its own security constraints, to try to effect the stabilisation on its own and in the traditional way." German CDU parliamentary committee on European affairs, September 1994 "Why does Europe need fifteen foreign ministers when one is enough? Why do member states still need national armies? One European army is enough." Hans Eichel, German finance minister, November 1999 http://www.campaignfortruth.com/Eclu.../germaneec.htm People of the UK should know exactly what the EU is based upon, at least one of the founding fathers of the EU was a Nazi. That would be enough, but there's all this too.

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30-03-2005, 06:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	http://www.cegesoma.be/The_Publicati..._bijdragen.htm "The new Minister of Justice in the tripartite government headed by Paul-Henri Spaak, Joseph Pholien, prompted by the success of Rex in the elections of 1936, sought to break with this tolerant policy towards the Jewish refugees. The inflexible policy of expulsion adopted by the politically inexperienced and unsubtle conservative Catholic politician came directly INTO phpbb_conflict with the Socialist patron Emile Vandervelde, who used this symbolic dossier to engage in a new confrontation with his pragmatic party colleague, the prime minister Paul-Henri Spaak." http://www.wpb.be/doc/doc/1may96c.htm In the years 1935-1939 Spaak and De Man formed an inseparable duo. In May 1939 De Man was chosen as chairman of the party thanks to the support of Spaak. Together they defended their program of 'national socialism' which 'preached that socialism was only inspired by common wellfare and national interest' and that 'it put all productive classes on the same footing'. (134) 'In 1939', said De Man, 'Spaak and I demanded an 'authoritarian democracy'. We said that it was wrong to regard the 'fascist' movements as attempts at restoration by the reaction whereas in reality they played a revolutionary role.' (135) When Hitler occupied Belgium, Hendrik de Man, the chairman of the SP/PS, published a Manifesto in the name of his party: 'This is what I ask you to do. Do not believe that resistance should be offered to the occupying forces. Rather, accept the fact of their victory and try to learn from it. For the working classes and for socialism this collapse of a decayed world is a liberation rather than a disaster. The road is open to the two aims in which the people's aspirations are summed up: peace in Europe and social justice.' (136) They say that the Workers' Party of Belgium 'plays the game of the extreme right' by criticizing and opposing the capitalist and imperialist policy of the SP/PS leaders. That is simply brainwashing. Already in 1939 the two thinkers of the SP/PS, Spaak and De Man, were such tenacious defenders of capitalism and imperialism, that they saluted the 'revolutionary role' of the fascist parties! In 1940 the socialist party had become so degenerated that it formed an alliance with Hitler fascism. On the 23 August 1940 Achiel van Acker, who was to become Prime Minister of a 'democratic' government, signed the Manifesto of De Man and he pronounced himself 'in favour of the new order.' (137) I hope that this makes it more clear. It was something that I discovered recently and it really opened my eyes to the true roots of the European Union.

31-03-2005, 02:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sheila Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 579	. Well, no, I don't think that that makes anything clear at all. Certainly doesn't say anything about railworkers strikes. In any case, I think it is probably unsafe to make a direct correlation between people's pre-war views and their post-war activities. What happened between 1939 and 1945 had a profound effect on many people's attitiudes - there were many people who had "appeasement" tendencies in the 1930s who changed their minds once the war had started or as a result of their experiences. .