Prevention of Terrorism Act

Biscuitman · 27-03-2005, 02:08 PM

the Lib/Dems have been holding meetings locally on the Prevention of terrorism Act, "How the proposed legislation will impact on the human rights of the muslim community".

I'd like to wizz off a letter to the local press under the heading "A question to ask your Lib/Dem candidate".

Is there an EU angle on this subject?

Matt O'Grady · 27-03-2005, 03:00 PM

.........why does everything need an EU angle?

Anthony Butcher · 27-03-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt O'Grady

.........why does everything need an EU angle?

The reason that we have to ask that question is because the EU interferes in so many issues and yet the public never hears about it. Most of the British public still have no idea just how much power the EU has over this country.

For instance, most people still think that regionalisation was Prescott's idea, or that deregulation of the national industries is a purely British choice.

libby · 28-03-2005, 12:10 AM

Anthony Butcher

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Originally Posted by Matt O'Grady

.........why does everything need an EU angle?

The reason that we have to ask that question is because the EU interferes in so many issues and yet the public never hears about it. Most of the British public still have no idea just how much power the EU has over this country.

For instance, most people still think that regionalisation was Prescott's idea, or that deregulation of the national industries is a purely British choice.

Matt they are a one trick pony of a party and without that trick they will have to find something else to do

Anthony Butcher · 28-03-2005, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by libby

Matt they are a one trick pony of a party and without that trick they will have to find something else to do

No, we just want to educate ourselves and learn more about it. I used to be a "europhile", except that the more I read about it the more I realised that the EU is completely unfit to govern itself let alone 1/3 or more of our laws.

While I respect the desire to make the EU work, I am yet to see any tangible benefits from remaining in the EU for Britain. And you certainly haven't provided any. Where is the long list of great achievements by the EU? Where are the arguments that it brings prosperity? That it is efficient? That it is a pinnacle of democracy? That is produces sensible and practical laws?

For someone who is interested in the EU, the only way that I can see that it is possible to remain a supporter is willful ignorance. You have to close your eyes and ears to the truth about the EU. The Lib Dem policy even acknowledges a few of the faults of the EU, yet the Lib Dems continue to support it.

I think that the Liberal Democrats don't deserve to use the work "Democrats" in their title if they support such a government. All of the senior positions are appointed - they aren't even MEPs! On that point alone, how can you possibly justify your support for it?

Matt O'Grady · 28-03-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

For someone who is interested in the EU, the only way that I can see that it is possible to remain a supporter is willful ignorance. You have to close your eyes and ears to the truth about the EU. The Lib Dem policy even acknowledges a few of the faults of the EU, yet the Lib Dems continue to support it.

I think that the Liberal Democrats don't deserve to use the work "Democrats" in their title if they support such a government. All of the senior positions are appointed - they aren't even MEPs! On that point alone, how can you possibly justify your support for it?

You answered your own question, we seek to see the EU head in a far more democratic direction.

And lets not forget, even if UKIP are right and this whole project is a bad idea, the public have voted for pro-EU parties time and time again, so it's hardly undemocratic for the parties to then implement pro-EU policies.

Anthony Butcher · 28-03-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt O'Grady

And lets not forget, even if UKIP are right and this whole project is a bad idea, the public have voted for pro-EU parties time and time again, so it's hardly undemocratic for the parties to then implement pro-EU policies.

Perhaps, but in reality the public have hardly ever had a choice. All three main parties are pro-EU, so the public have never really had a choice at all. Just because UKIP had candidates last time doesn't really mean that most people saw them as a viable choice.

Until we have some MPs, there will be many people who only consider us a fringe party. The June elections added to our credibility, but people change their voting habits considerably for FPTP systems. Westminster would look very different under PR.

B.A.Ware · 28-03-2005, 11:58 PM

Anthony is absolutely right how can you say the British people have had the choice this is completely rubbish. When has any mainstream party said, " We are going to surrender our laws and our country over to a non-elected body called the European Union NEVER”. You seek to see a more democratic EU, then why not change it from a good bargaining point not signing up lock stock and barrel.
There’s non so blind that cannot see.

Intbel · 29-03-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt O'Grady

You answered your own question, we seek to see the EU head in a far more democratic direction.

How can this be accomplished do you suppose?

Bluemerle · 29-03-2005, 08:32 AM

It will be impossible to renegotiate anything from within the EU. The best solution is a clean break, then we can renegotiate a trading agreement, and anything else we can agree on, from a strong standpoint.

All this woolly headed concensus will never make anyone happy, there will always be friction, and as we know from exprience, the attitude of the French and Germans will supercede our own and we will never, ever be satisfied.

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Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	Prevention of Terrorism Act the Lib/Dems have been holding meetings locally on the Prevention of terrorism Act, "How the proposed legislation will impact on the human rights of the muslim community". I'd like to wizz off a letter to the local press under the heading "A question to ask your Lib/Dem candidate". Is there an EU angle on this subject? __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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27-03-2005, 03:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
Matt O'Grady Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Swansea, EU Posts: 215	.........why does everything need an EU angle?

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B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,506 Party: UKIP	Anthony is absolutely right how can you say the British people have had the choice this is completely rubbish. When has any mainstream party said, " We are going to surrender our laws and our country over to a non-elected body called the European Union NEVER”. You seek to see a more democratic EU, then why not change it from a good bargaining point not signing up lock stock and barrel. There’s non so blind that cannot see.

29-03-2005, 08:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	It will be impossible to renegotiate anything from within the EU. The best solution is a clean break, then we can renegotiate a trading agreement, and anything else we can agree on, from a strong standpoint. All this woolly headed concensus will never make anyone happy, there will always be friction, and as we know from exprience, the attitude of the French and Germans will supercede our own and we will never, ever be satisfied.