Don't be a sheep!

Percy the Poodle · 28-03-2005, 10:36 AM

I will be right beside you Intbel

Exorcist · 28-03-2005, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

If Britain did have a referendum and voted to end control of our own affairs, that would signal the end of the war for me and I would be off to New Zealand.

It would signal the beginning of a war methinks.

Same here Intbel.

Intbel · 28-03-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Percy the Poodle

I will be right beside you Intbel

Join the club

This thing has to be beat - the alternative is not acceptable.

I haven't a clue about organising revolts and suchlike and if anyone who has such experience is planning something - count me in.

If not - I'll do my own thing and if anyone wants to tag along that will be fine.

There is much information available concerning civil disobedience which I will be studying.

One thing of which I am certain - the EU's archilles heel is its communications.

28-03-2005, 11:57 AM

hang on a second here..... stop the bus......

UKIP belive in referendums

and that major policy decisions should at the end of the day be decided by the eleectorate

so basically you want to start some form of war rather than wait for the demogratic process to take place

stop me if any of the above is incorrect

sssooo.....

next year there is going to be a referendum on the EU consitution. (now nobody at this stage can predict the outcome) remembering that referendums are a major UKIP policy

but say for example it comes out and overall yes would that not leave you guys in the wilderness somewhere as your views would not be how the voters see it

Hartlepool · 28-03-2005, 12:19 PM

Time to get real Scotgirl, you and millions more know the result of a Referendum on the EU will be a resounding NO, the real probability is that the French will kill off this CONstitution long before any other Country. Make no mistake tho, the CONstitution is dead and living in Brussels only.The People of this Country,from all political persuasions,and none,will kill off this CONstitution in the event of a Referendum on it. The percentage of votes against this CONstitution will probably better the 78% NO vote in the NE Regional Assembly. This was a real hammering that the Government took,the NERA is still around tho, can we expect the same from a similar vote against the CONstitution?

White knight · 28-03-2005, 12:24 PM

A Quote From the Great Man Winston Churchill:
I have myself,full confidence that if all do their duty,if nothing is neglected and if the best arrangements are made,as they are made,we shall prove ourselves once AGAIN able to defend our Island Home,to ride out the storm of War and to outlive the Menace of TYRANNY,if necessary for years,if necessary ALONE.At any rate,that is what we are going to try to do,that is the resolve of his Majesty's Goverment-every man of them.That is the will of Parliament and the Nation.the British Empire and the French Republic,linked together in their cause and in their need,will defend to the death their native soil,aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength .Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous states have FALLEN or may FALL INTO phpbb_the gripe of the Gestapo and all the apparatus of Nazi rule,we shall not flag or fail.we shall go on to the End.
We shall fight in France,we shall fight in the seas and oceans,we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air,we shall Defend our Island,whatever the cost may be,we shall fight them on the Beaches,we shall fight on the Landing grounds,we shall fight in the Fields and in the Streets,we shall fight in the Hills;We shall shall Never Surrender and even if ,which i do not for one moment believe, beyond the seas,armed and guarded by the British Fleet,would carry on the struggle,untill in God's good time,the new world.with all it's powers and might,step forth to the rescue and liberation of the old.

These words can relate today in many aspects of the struggle we face,we should reflect to those times when everything seemed Dark and Futile that it takes Courage and determination of Man to over turn a Colossus Force in Europe once Again!
and it will be USA that comes to our rescue again!!!

28-03-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hartlepool

Time to get real Scotgirl, you and millions more know the result of a Referendum on the EU will be a resounding NO, the real probability is that the French will kill off this CONstitution long before any other Country. Make no mistake tho, the CONstitution is dead and living in Brussels only.The People of this Country,from all political persuasions,and none,will kill off this CONstitution in the event of a Referendum on it. The percentage of votes against this CONstitution will probably better the 78% NO vote in the NE Regional Assembly. This was a real hammering that the Government took,the NERA is still around tho, can we expect the same from a similar vote against the CONstitution?

as someone reminded me on the Veritas forum. this is a microcosum of opinion with people spoonfeeding each other what they want to hear, you want to hear it will be a resouding no so you copy snippits that agree with that mindset, to be honest until the referendum you actaully cant predict the percentages

Hartlepool · 28-03-2005, 12:47 PM

Scotgirl, my last post was about saying that the CONstitution will be voted "NO" to by a huge majority. The nitpicking about the percentages and avoidence of what I said only make me say once again, "This CONstitution will be voted "NO" to by a huge majority." Now,are you one of the people who believe this Country will vote "YES" to the CONstitution?

Intbel · 28-03-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scotgirl

hang on a second here..... stop the bus......

UKIP belive in referendums

and that major policy decisions should at the end of the day be decided by the eleectorate

so basically you want to start some form of war rather than wait for the demogratic process to take place

stop me if any of the above is incorrect

sssooo.....

next year there is going to be a referendum on the EU consitution. (now nobody at this stage can predict the outcome) remembering that referendums are a major UKIP policy

but say for example it comes out and overall yes would that not leave you guys in the wilderness somewhere as your views would not be how the voters see it

What you are not taking INTO phpbb_account is that the EU Parliament has approved whatever funding it takes to promote a 'Yes' vote on top of the £millions a year it is pumping INTO phpbb_our universities to promote the EU agenda.

That the EU will promote itself by all means possible is written INTO phpbb_its constitution.

And it will use all means possible, to the extent that it will make organisations such as the U.K.I.P. illegal and its members criminals.

Is this what you want?

28-03-2005, 12:53 PM

i think its to early to tell how the vote is going to go at the moment, but to answer your question it could go either way. We will know slightly more after the GE

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28-03-2005, 10:36 AM	#21 (permalink)
Percy the Poodle Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Devon Posts: 362	I will be right beside you Intbel

28-03-2005, 11:57 AM	#24 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	hang on a second here..... stop the bus...... UKIP belive in referendums and that major policy decisions should at the end of the day be decided by the eleectorate so basically you want to start some form of war rather than wait for the demogratic process to take place stop me if any of the above is incorrect sssooo..... next year there is going to be a referendum on the EU consitution. (now nobody at this stage can predict the outcome) remembering that referendums are a major UKIP policy but say for example it comes out and overall yes would that not leave you guys in the wilderness somewhere as your views would not be how the voters see it

28-03-2005, 12:19 PM	#25 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,785 Party: Free England Party	Time to get real Scotgirl, you and millions more know the result of a Referendum on the EU will be a resounding NO, the real probability is that the French will kill off this CONstitution long before any other Country. Make no mistake tho, the CONstitution is dead and living in Brussels only.The People of this Country,from all political persuasions,and none,will kill off this CONstitution in the event of a Referendum on it. The percentage of votes against this CONstitution will probably better the 78% NO vote in the NE Regional Assembly. This was a real hammering that the Government took,the NERA is still around tho, can we expect the same from a similar vote against the CONstitution?

28-03-2005, 12:24 PM	#26 (permalink)
White knight Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 623	A Quote From the Great Man Winston Churchill: I have myself,full confidence that if all do their duty,if nothing is neglected and if the best arrangements are made,as they are made,we shall prove ourselves once AGAIN able to defend our Island Home,to ride out the storm of War and to outlive the Menace of TYRANNY,if necessary for years,if necessary ALONE.At any rate,that is what we are going to try to do,that is the resolve of his Majesty's Goverment-every man of them.That is the will of Parliament and the Nation.the British Empire and the French Republic,linked together in their cause and in their need,will defend to the death their native soil,aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength .Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous states have FALLEN or may FALL INTO phpbb_the gripe of the Gestapo and all the apparatus of Nazi rule,we shall not flag or fail.we shall go on to the End. We shall fight in France,we shall fight in the seas and oceans,we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air,we shall Defend our Island,whatever the cost may be,we shall fight them on the Beaches,we shall fight on the Landing grounds,we shall fight in the Fields and in the Streets,we shall fight in the Hills;We shall shall Never Surrender and even if ,which i do not for one moment believe, beyond the seas,armed and guarded by the British Fleet,would carry on the struggle,untill in God's good time,the new world.with all it's powers and might,step forth to the rescue and liberation of the old. These words can relate today in many aspects of the struggle we face,we should reflect to those times when everything seemed Dark and Futile that it takes Courage and determination of Man to over turn a Colossus Force in Europe once Again! and it will be USA that comes to our rescue again!!!

28-03-2005, 12:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
Hartlepool Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North East England Posts: 6,785 Party: Free England Party	Scotgirl, my last post was about saying that the CONstitution will be voted "NO" to by a huge majority. The nitpicking about the percentages and avoidence of what I said only make me say once again, "This CONstitution will be voted "NO" to by a huge majority." Now,are you one of the people who believe this Country will vote "YES" to the CONstitution?

28-03-2005, 12:53 PM	#30 (permalink)
Guest Posts: n/a	i think its to early to tell how the vote is going to go at the moment, but to answer your question it could go either way. We will know slightly more after the GE