Aardvark

Evil? LB points out that our Government took us to war on a false pretext, in exactly the same way that Hitler faked the attack at Glienitz (sp?) to invade Poland. Hitler slowly removed more and more democratic powers from the German people, introduced imprisonment without trial, politicised the judiciary etc etc. I'm worried that evil doesn't begin at Calais going east, but begins at Dover coming west. :cry:

eublues

We could argue that the Labour government is evil but that evil can be largely traced to its doing the bidding of its EU master (Labour adds to the evil by the attempted deception about the reason for these things).

For the UK, in the EU being held without trial, and the absence of trial by jury and common law, is the way it will be soon anyway, and the government is seeking to smooth the transition to these things.

Outside the EU an evil inclined UK government will be quickly detected by the British people and booted out. Within the EU evil is not open to effective democratic checks because the EU is not democratic.

Bluemerle

An echo from history

From: David Quarrie, Lynden Way, Acomb, York.

"THE Government will make use of these powers only in so far as they are essential to carrying out vitally necessary measures. Neither of the two houses of parliament is menaced. The position and rights of the head of state remain unaltered. Separate existence of the federal states will not
be done away with. The rights of the churches will not be diminished and
their relationship to the state will not be modified. A number of cases in
which an eternal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is in
itself a limited one."

This sounds so similar to what Prime Minister Tony Blair and Home Secretary Charles Clarke are rushing through UK Parliament right now as the new anti-terrorism Bill. The words were spoken on March 23, 1933 by none other than Chancellor Adolf Hitler. It was his infamous "enabling act" which effectively ended democratic government in Germany for 12 long years. He called this law "the law for removing distress from people and nation".

I think we ought to be concerned.

http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/View...ticleID=962145

here comes another one of my opinions

i think using the term Evil on the renewal membership form was a mistake. i feel the word used in that context on that form trivializes what you are trying to put across when i first read this tread my thoughts turned to Evil empires in hollywood films

which is i hope you are not trying to put accross as a serious political party

again just my 2p's worth

scotgirl

Sarumano

A nice quote to send to the Times the next time the Government tries some constitutional sleight of hand?

Vis-a-vis 'Evil'; yes I would describe what the EU is doing as 'evil'. Even if they have the best of intentions, what they are doing to corrupt our way of government is plain wrong.
However, using it in a renewal notice is ill-advised at least. We are, after all, preaching to the converted.
The place for such terms is in discussion groups (your theme for tonight, Jeremy, is...) or on freebie beermats in university student bars (is anyone doing this????)