GMB commits to campaign against BNP (and UKIP) at election

mkpdavies · 03-03-2005, 04:52 PM

I don't believe UKIP do think that. Hence one of the major focuses of the party of late has been to get policies on a lot of issues across better. I don't think UKIP need to apologise for making the EU it's primary focus. Who else up until now has been trying to get the people to think about this important issue? No one!

I agree UKIP has an image of only caring about the EU. Not true, but thats the price we have to pay for trying to get people thinking about the most important issue facing Britain today.

Will UKIP win an election, maybe not today, but it's growing. People are waking up and smelling the coffee, and it may need some more changes, mergers etc before the real breakthrough happens, but as long as the UK escapes the EU's clutches and but retains a fair and tollerent goverment, I couldn't care less what badge that government wears at the end of the day.

Nick Moody · 03-03-2005, 06:04 PM

I think that the term Left or Right is a bit old hat these days. It was a 20th century term for politics at a time of great social change and the influence of communist Russia. There are obviously people within the various parties who are left or right but I don't think that it is reflected in the party itself. I believe that most parties are now more centrist than they have been for a very long time and believe that there is room for a so called single issue party that also has other policies. It may not have as many policies as other parties but that is possibly to do with the fact that UKIP is a small government party and wishes to remove government from peoples lives as much as possible. I don't think any sane UKIP follower thinks that we are going to win the election but we have to get our foot in the door of Westminster. Even just one MP would be a good start. I've said it before and I'll it again, this is a long campaign we have ahead of us. But surely the most important issue in British politics is who governs the UK not how many schools, hospitals and police we have, although they are obviously important. If we hand over more power to Brussels then we eventually won't be able to say how many of the above we can have because our taxation system and budget control will have been taken out of our hands. Incidentally the above are about the only things left that Westminster does still control and that is partly why so much attention is spent on them.

Nic · 03-03-2005, 08:19 PM

It seems to me that one reason why the turnout at elections, both local and national, has been falling steadily for some years is because, whilst the traditional parties carry on behaving in the old left-right fashion, that is increasingly irrelevant to more and more people. Therefore there is a huge opportunity for a party which doesn't consider itself according to those outdated views. Step forward UKIP.

Britain4Ever · 03-03-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Come on Blue, don't fall for it. Anyone who suggests the BNP or Arthur Scargill will be a vote puller, clearly is speaking from another dimension to us.

You're absolutely right - they certainly *are* in another dimension, a dimension where no-one knows anything about serious politics.

The BNP are too engrossed in people's skin colour than serious policies.

The BNP will *never* be a majority - they can contest as many wards as they like, with as many BNP 'councillors' (rapists, criminals etc...) as they like, but they will still remain at the bottom of the barrel.

Their idiotic policies are laughable - 're-patriation', attacks on ceratin ethnic minorities, but *not* all !? (how does that work?)

And they keep changing their policies as well - what a shambles the BNP is.

mkpdavies · 03-03-2005, 10:20 PM

Spot on Britain4Ever!

Welcome to the forum!

Britain4Ever · 03-03-2005, 10:58 PM

Thank you

Independence Now! · 03-03-2005, 11:11 PM

How many MPs do you think UKIP will have after the next general election? After all, UKIP is so popular it will sweep the board. :roll: I have a feeling UKIP's supporters are going to be very disappointed indeed.

Independence Now! · 03-03-2005, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Britain4Ever

Thank you

You Britain4Ever and some of the other posters here don't seem to want to debate cordially with someone who is showing some interest in UKIP. If that is the way UKIP conducts politics then I don't think the party has much hope in the future of increasing its support. I ask a few questions on this board and people shout down my throat, even though I am very new here.

Intbel · 03-03-2005, 11:33 PM

Car manufactures seek the optimum aerodynamic shape for their vehicles. There is only one optimum aerodynamic shape. Consequently, all cars end up looking the same.

In the same way, the Whigs and the Tories seek the optimum manifesto/policies to attract the greatest number of votes. There is only one optimum manifesto/policies. Quensecontly, they end up with little difference between them, differing only in the minutae, both agreeing on the major issues.

All they want is to get INTO phpbb_power and remain there - they have zero integrity left and will say and do anything with which they can get away to garner as many votes as possible, sacrificing all in their quest for control.

This time they have screwed up big time.

Policies and lies re Iraq, I.D. cards and our membership of the E.U. will cost both parties many votes.

Tom Wilde · 04-03-2005, 12:56 AM

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You Britain4Ever and some of the other posters here don't seem to want to debate cordially with someone who is showing some interest in UKIP.

We're always up for a friendly debate, us!

I think if your welcome was a little less than effusive, it may have been because you gave the impression of not being interested in debating ideas or tactics, but only in attempting to convince us that UKIP has no hope whatever.

This is a view expressed so frequently by so many people in the old parties that it doesn't really grip us as an exciting debating point. I think most of us would rather just get on and try to prove you wrong.

Besides, your conclusion seems to be that we'd have a better chance if we veered off to one extreme or other of the political spectrum. However, as neither the Bisexual Nazi Party nor the Socialist Labour Party (Scargillist-Leninist) has enjoyed anything like the growth or electoral success already gained by UKIP, your conclusion is rather at odds with the observed facts. We can therefore afford to treat it with a certain amount of

and if your conclusion is wrong then there is no need for us to spend very much effort examining the steps that led you to it. Sorry if this seems harsh...

03-03-2005, 04:52 PM	#21 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,850 Party: Libertarian Party	I don't believe UKIP do think that. Hence one of the major focuses of the party of late has been to get policies on a lot of issues across better. I don't think UKIP need to apologise for making the EU it's primary focus. Who else up until now has been trying to get the people to think about this important issue? No one! I agree UKIP has an image of only caring about the EU. Not true, but thats the price we have to pay for trying to get people thinking about the most important issue facing Britain today. Will UKIP win an election, maybe not today, but it's growing. People are waking up and smelling the coffee, and it may need some more changes, mergers etc before the real breakthrough happens, but as long as the UK escapes the EU's clutches and but retains a fair and tollerent goverment, I couldn't care less what badge that government wears at the end of the day. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-03-2005, 10:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,850 Party: Libertarian Party	Spot on Britain4Ever! Welcome to the forum! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-03-2005, 11:33 PM	#29 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	Car manufactures seek the optimum aerodynamic shape for their vehicles. There is only one optimum aerodynamic shape. Consequently, all cars end up looking the same. In the same way, the Whigs and the Tories seek the optimum manifesto/policies to attract the greatest number of votes. There is only one optimum manifesto/policies. Quensecontly, they end up with little difference between them, differing only in the minutae, both agreeing on the major issues. All they want is to get INTO phpbb_power and remain there - they have zero integrity left and will say and do anything with which they can get away to garner as many votes as possible, sacrificing all in their quest for control. This time they have screwed up big time. Policies and lies re Iraq, I.D. cards and our membership of the E.U. will cost both parties many votes. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

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03-03-2005, 06:04 PM	#22 (permalink)
Nick Moody Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 100	I think that the term Left or Right is a bit old hat these days. It was a 20th century term for politics at a time of great social change and the influence of communist Russia. There are obviously people within the various parties who are left or right but I don't think that it is reflected in the party itself. I believe that most parties are now more centrist than they have been for a very long time and believe that there is room for a so called single issue party that also has other policies. It may not have as many policies as other parties but that is possibly to do with the fact that UKIP is a small government party and wishes to remove government from peoples lives as much as possible. I don't think any sane UKIP follower thinks that we are going to win the election but we have to get our foot in the door of Westminster. Even just one MP would be a good start. I've said it before and I'll it again, this is a long campaign we have ahead of us. But surely the most important issue in British politics is who governs the UK not how many schools, hospitals and police we have, although they are obviously important. If we hand over more power to Brussels then we eventually won't be able to say how many of the above we can have because our taxation system and budget control will have been taken out of our hands. Incidentally the above are about the only things left that Westminster does still control and that is partly why so much attention is spent on them.

03-03-2005, 08:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Nic Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 164	It seems to me that one reason why the turnout at elections, both local and national, has been falling steadily for some years is because, whilst the traditional parties carry on behaving in the old left-right fashion, that is increasingly irrelevant to more and more people. Therefore there is a huge opportunity for a party which doesn't consider itself according to those outdated views. Step forward UKIP.

03-03-2005, 10:58 PM	#26 (permalink)
Britain4Ever Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Essex Posts: 5	Thank you

03-03-2005, 11:11 PM	#27 (permalink)
Independence Now! Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,096	How many MPs do you think UKIP will have after the next general election? After all, UKIP is so popular it will sweep the board. :roll: I have a feeling UKIP's supporters are going to be very disappointed indeed.