NEC elections are in!!!!

mkpdavies · 01-03-2005, 09:29 PM

http://www.ukip.org/abc_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=1279

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CANDIDATE TOTALS
1 LINDA GUEST 1406
2 MICHAEL ZUCKERMAN 1238
3 DOUGLAS DENNY 1202
4 JOHN WHITTAKER 1179
5 GERARD BATTEN 1124
6 CRAIG MACKINLAY 1032
7 ALAN BOWN 1005
8 ANDREW MOORE 850
9 TONY STONE 838
10 GEORGE MUDGE 653
11 PETER WYATT 643
12 JOHN BURDON 641
13 DONALD MACKAY 629
14 ANDREW SMITH 596
15 ROBERT McWHIRTER 587
16 DAVID NOAKES 557
17 HUGH M-HUGHES 442

18 GEORGE CURTIS 425
19 BRIAN LEE 358
20 MARTIN HARVEY 332
21 DAVID NIXON 293
22 STEPHEN POVEY 287
23 ALAN COOK 246
24 PETER BAKER 222
25 MICHAEL PHILLIPS 215
26 LAURENCE KEELEY 157

Votes for Eastwood and Scholefield were not counted as they had left the party.

All votes were recounted at least once.

Votes for Batten, MacKinlay and Bown were recounted 3 times.

A full report will be produced later this week.

George Stride
Returning Officer

This looks like a strong line up to me, with some new faces to freshen up teh show, with the respected Gerard Batten adding a touch of experience. I'm so exited I could crush a grape!

B.A.Ware · 02-03-2005, 09:54 AM

With a membership of 27,000 and the votes totalling 17,157 that equals a turn out of approx 63% roughly the same as a general election. I thought that Ukip members were a lot more dedicated than that, especially with the recent troubles we’ve had.

mkpdavies · 02-03-2005, 09:57 AM

Hate to make it look even worse, but don't forget we all had 5 votes each! :shock:

Tis the same everytime apparently, only a few people bother in the NEC elections, because they don't see them as important. Scares the hell out of me, especially when we have just had all the grief over leadership.

It just goes to show you that this internet world we live in, is distorted when compared to reality. What you see here is not the opinion of the general membership, nevermind the population.

Anthony Butcher · 02-03-2005, 10:07 AM

I didn't vote because the ballot papers weren't numbered. A silly protest I know, and I will have no room for complaint if I don't approve of NEC decisions.

Roughly 3,500 members voted in total. That is a 13% turnout.

40% of people voted for Linda Guest, so congratulations to her!

mkpdavies · 02-03-2005, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

I didn't vote because the ballot papers weren't numbered. A silly protest I know, and I will have no room for complaint if I don't approve of NEC decisions.

Roughly 3,500 members voted in total. That is a 13% turnout.

40% of people voted for Linda Guest, so congratulations to her!

:evil:

All the more reason to vote! If genuine people don't ote, then the troublemakers have even more chance of causing grief!

Shame, Shame on you! 8)

The most important thing, is to make sure we don't have the numbering issue again!

Anthony Butcher · 02-03-2005, 10:34 AM

It wasn't an easy decision, but in the end I decided not to take part because I do not want to condone such poor electoral practice from the party. There is no way to ascertain whether it has been a fair election or not. With so few votes cast it would only have taken 100 bogus ballots to swing the election.

From the appalling turn out (and remember this is a postal ballot!), I would say that the majority of members think that the NEC is an irrelevance. This very much harps back to my "where do we go from here?" document - what is the point of the NEC at the moment?

mkpdavies · 02-03-2005, 10:48 AM

You know, I think the big issues with this whole vote are.

1) The numbering thing, wide open to abuse. Though going on the results, I think we were spared that abuse.

2) Putting it in the magazine. I hate to say this, but I really doubt many people read the magazine. It is very dry and I have had various members tell me it is boring. I can quite imagine a lot of people just putting the mag aside, or throwing it waya, without knowing there was a ballot paper inside.

3) People have no idea what the NEC does. The only time were have heard about it over the last few years, is when it has been leaking stuff to Cole. Hardly a glowing advert!

4) There was a hell of a lot of candidates this year. That was a good sign for me, but could people be bothered to wade through pages of information to make a choice? Not sure what you can do about that though!

5) The sheer hassle of having to rip pages out, pay for a stamp and envelope, post it. All things that will put people off.

I would like to see an online voting system, where members can logon and vote.

Otherwise the ballot paper should be a seperate item, not in the mag, and be as easy to send back as possible. Like some of the catalogue mailings, that you fill out, fold then bung in the post box. Freepost if possible, as I think it is a small price to pay to have a well elected NEC.

Bluemerle · 02-03-2005, 10:49 AM

Well I voted and I'm pleased to say that two on my list came in the 5 selected.

I didn't vote in the last NEC election because I laid the magazine to one side and forgot, but felt it important this time.

Tom Wilde · 02-03-2005, 11:44 AM

Not a bad result overall. I'm glad Whittaker is in, but I'm disappointed that our former acting leader Craig Mackinlay didn't quite make it. I voted for him in the 1997 leadership election, which he lost, and I still think he is under-appreciated.

Well done to Linda Guest, though. That is an impressive result.

Paul Birch · 02-03-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Hate to make it look even worse, but don't forget we all had 5 votes each! :shock:

Up to 5 votes each. Some may have voted for fewer than 5 candidates, even for just one, so perhaps the turnout isn't quite as bad as it might appear.

I don't like the fact that the Eastwood and Scholefield votes aren't given. That does not give the appearance of an open and fair election. Who knows, perhaps they would have come in the top five! But if not, publishing their totals wouldn't have hurt anyway.

02-03-2005, 09:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,850 Party: Libertarian Party	Hate to make it look even worse, but don't forget we all had 5 votes each! :shock: Tis the same everytime apparently, only a few people bother in the NEC elections, because they don't see them as important. Scares the hell out of me, especially when we have just had all the grief over leadership. It just goes to show you that this internet world we live in, is distorted when compared to reality. What you see here is not the opinion of the general membership, nevermind the population. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

02-03-2005, 10:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,850 Party: Libertarian Party	You know, I think the big issues with this whole vote are. 1) The numbering thing, wide open to abuse. Though going on the results, I think we were spared that abuse. 2) Putting it in the magazine. I hate to say this, but I really doubt many people read the magazine. It is very dry and I have had various members tell me it is boring. I can quite imagine a lot of people just putting the mag aside, or throwing it waya, without knowing there was a ballot paper inside. 3) People have no idea what the NEC does. The only time were have heard about it over the last few years, is when it has been leaking stuff to Cole. Hardly a glowing advert! 4) There was a hell of a lot of candidates this year. That was a good sign for me, but could people be bothered to wade through pages of information to make a choice? Not sure what you can do about that though! 5) The sheer hassle of having to rip pages out, pay for a stamp and envelope, post it. All things that will put people off. I would like to see an online voting system, where members can logon and vote. Otherwise the ballot paper should be a seperate item, not in the mag, and be as easy to send back as possible. Like some of the catalogue mailings, that you fill out, fold then bung in the post box. Freepost if possible, as I think it is a small price to pay to have a well elected NEC. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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02-03-2005, 09:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,506 Party: UKIP	With a membership of 27,000 and the votes totalling 17,157 that equals a turn out of approx 63% roughly the same as a general election. I thought that Ukip members were a lot more dedicated than that, especially with the recent troubles we’ve had.

02-03-2005, 10:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,152 Party: None	I didn't vote because the ballot papers weren't numbered. A silly protest I know, and I will have no room for complaint if I don't approve of NEC decisions. Roughly 3,500 members voted in total. That is a 13% turnout. 40% of people voted for Linda Guest, so congratulations to her!

02-03-2005, 10:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,152 Party: None	It wasn't an easy decision, but in the end I decided not to take part because I do not want to condone such poor electoral practice from the party. There is no way to ascertain whether it has been a fair election or not. With so few votes cast it would only have taken 100 bogus ballots to swing the election. From the appalling turn out (and remember this is a postal ballot!), I would say that the majority of members think that the NEC is an irrelevance. This very much harps back to my "where do we go from here?" document - what is the point of the NEC at the moment?

02-03-2005, 10:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	Well I voted and I'm pleased to say that two on my list came in the 5 selected. I didn't vote in the last NEC election because I laid the magazine to one side and forgot, but felt it important this time.

02-03-2005, 11:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,895	Not a bad result overall. I'm glad Whittaker is in, but I'm disappointed that our former acting leader Craig Mackinlay didn't quite make it. I voted for him in the 1997 leadership election, which he lost, and I still think he is under-appreciated. Well done to Linda Guest, though. That is an impressive result.