Peter Hulme Cross defects as well

mkpdavies · 03-02-2005, 03:18 AM

Spot on!

Lawrie Boxall · 03-02-2005, 08:31 AM

Anthony is absolutely right, losing the representation in London is a big setback for UKIP. Yet the leadership have actively persued this outcome for 2 years and will no doubt express delight that all the London troublemakers have gone.
But London is the UK media capital and if there is to be a UKIP national media campaign (that's a big if) London is where it should be centered. Now the people who could have organised it have all been forced out of the party. I am just lost for words at the ineptitude of UKIP leadership.
One thing those remaining in UKIP should do is to insist that Roger Knapman forgets about Brussels for the next 3 months and takes personal charge of the election campaign in GB. If he is indeed the right person to lead UKIP he needs to proove it. He has to spend much of the final 3 weeks with a team based in London spelling out why UKIP is different and explaining UKIPs policies and plans for the country. It's a bit late to start planning this now but it has to be done. If it isn't done the party can forget about getting people elected to Westminster. If it does it successfully it has an outside chance.
I have a fear that they will do what they did in 2001 and limit the campaign to constituencies only in the hope that someone like Nigel will squeeze through - and the rest - well they don't really matter do they.

mkpdavies · 03-02-2005, 08:38 AM

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One thing those remaining in UKIP should do is to insist that Roger Knapman forgets about Brussels for the next 3 months and takes personal charge of the election campaign in GB. If he is indeed the right person to lead UKIP he needs to proove it. He has to spend much of the final 3 weeks with a team based in London spelling out why UKIP is different and explaining UKIPs policies and plans for the country. It's a bit late to start planning this now but it has to be done. If it isn't done the party can forget about getting people elected to Westminster. If it does it successfully it has an outside chance

Spot on, I agree 100 %. Knapman needs to get his face show in and around Westminster big time. UKIP have got the gorund troops, but we need some major focus from the leadership now.

Bluemerle · 03-02-2005, 10:03 AM

We need to be seen and heard.

I wrote to Roger K yesterday and told him that we want to hear him on the radio, see him on TV and read him in the newspapers.

gimlet · 03-02-2005, 10:04 AM

I do not think DH going will have much effect - Good bye. Maybe for you London people he was a minor celebrity, I saw him as a destructive element. At times I think I'm in a different party to the majority on this fine forum. We have a good information flow, things are moving along for the election, events are getting organized. I guess it depends on how much effort your ROs do or yourselves.

UKIP MAN · 03-02-2005, 11:46 AM

There is one point.

If the area that you are living in do not put a UKIP candidate up for Election, but Veritas do! or visa versa, are you going to vote lab, tory or varitas?

I know what I will do.

so what is the point of having a go at each other......

mkpdavies · 03-02-2005, 11:50 AM

Thats the no brainer of the century.

Of course I would vote Veritas, and I would hope Veritas people would recipricate.

kernow · 03-02-2005, 02:10 PM

People who spend their time reading this forum think this is how the public see UKIP. This forum bears no resemblense to how Joe public view us. People read almost every day about politicians from other parties who are in the muck over something they've said or done, but that doesn't stop people voting for them'. We have all read about how politicians in Westminster have no idea how the British voters really feel, well that appears to be the same for most of the posters on this forum. I leaflet almost every day and chat to people in the street, all through the big Kilroy-Silk UKIP bust up, just about none of the general public noticed, those who did, thought Kilroy was nothing more that an attention seeking showman!
'The Blair' government has to be the most corrupt government we have ever had the misfortune to have in power, but just you wait, the gullible, stupid, :cry: British public will vote them back in again with a huge majority. I just wish I was young enough to emigrate!

WindupMerchant · 03-02-2005, 02:53 PM

Just replying to your statement, I cannot understand how anybody can presume they know how the general public think, it is impossible. A lot of people vote for the same political party all their lives irrellevant who is leader, or what the party has done. People usually, I think, base politics how their personal circumstances are ie; employed, unemployed; poor, rich; house value going up, going down; victim of crime, not victim of crime; etc etc.
Why Labour will get back INTO phpbb_power is probably because of the feel good factor of the majority of people who vote at elections. If most peoples lives are okay, why change the political party running the country.

mkpdavies · 03-02-2005, 02:56 PM

I must be the exception to the rule then. I have a good job, great home life, but I realise Labour has very little to do with that. I also realise that the future of this country is at stake here.

I am from the South East, supposedly the richest region. Yet people are angry. All I hear is contempt for Blair and his cronies. Are people lying to me?

03-02-2005, 03:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,841 Party: Libertarian Party	Spot on! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-02-2005, 11:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,841 Party: Libertarian Party	Thats the no brainer of the century. Of course I would vote Veritas, and I would hope Veritas people would recipricate. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-02-2005, 02:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	You've know idea what the voting public think People who spend their time reading this forum think this is how the public see UKIP. This forum bears no resemblense to how Joe public view us. People read almost every day about politicians from other parties who are in the muck over something they've said or done, but that doesn't stop people voting for them'. We have all read about how politicians in Westminster have no idea how the British voters really feel, well that appears to be the same for most of the posters on this forum. I leaflet almost every day and chat to people in the street, all through the big Kilroy-Silk UKIP bust up, just about none of the general public noticed, those who did, thought Kilroy was nothing more that an attention seeking showman! 'The Blair' government has to be the most corrupt government we have ever had the misfortune to have in power, but just you wait, the gullible, stupid, :cry: British public will vote them back in again with a huge majority. I just wish I was young enough to emigrate!

03-02-2005, 02:53 PM	#19 (permalink)
WindupMerchant Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,508	kernow Just replying to your statement, I cannot understand how anybody can presume they know how the general public think, it is impossible. A lot of people vote for the same political party all their lives irrellevant who is leader, or what the party has done. People usually, I think, base politics how their personal circumstances are ie; employed, unemployed; poor, rich; house value going up, going down; victim of crime, not victim of crime; etc etc. Why Labour will get back INTO phpbb_power is probably because of the feel good factor of the majority of people who vote at elections. If most peoples lives are okay, why change the political party running the country.

03-02-2005, 02:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,841 Party: Libertarian Party	I must be the exception to the rule then. I have a good job, great home life, but I realise Labour has very little to do with that. I also realise that the future of this country is at stake here. I am from the South East, supposedly the richest region. Yet people are angry. All I hear is contempt for Blair and his cronies. Are people lying to me? __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

03-02-2005, 08:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lawrie Boxall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Sandhurst Posts: 1,015	Anthony is absolutely right, losing the representation in London is a big setback for UKIP. Yet the leadership have actively persued this outcome for 2 years and will no doubt express delight that all the London troublemakers have gone. But London is the UK media capital and if there is to be a UKIP national media campaign (that's a big if) London is where it should be centered. Now the people who could have organised it have all been forced out of the party. I am just lost for words at the ineptitude of UKIP leadership. One thing those remaining in UKIP should do is to insist that Roger Knapman forgets about Brussels for the next 3 months and takes personal charge of the election campaign in GB. If he is indeed the right person to lead UKIP he needs to proove it. He has to spend much of the final 3 weeks with a team based in London spelling out why UKIP is different and explaining UKIPs policies and plans for the country. It's a bit late to start planning this now but it has to be done. If it isn't done the party can forget about getting people elected to Westminster. If it does it successfully it has an outside chance. I have a fear that they will do what they did in 2001 and limit the campaign to constituencies only in the hope that someone like Nigel will squeeze through - and the rest - well they don't really matter do they.

03-02-2005, 10:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	We need to be seen and heard. I wrote to Roger K yesterday and told him that we want to hear him on the radio, see him on TV and read him in the newspapers.

03-02-2005, 10:04 AM	#15 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 832	I do not think DH going will have much effect - Good bye. Maybe for you London people he was a minor celebrity, I saw him as a destructive element. At times I think I'm in a different party to the majority on this fine forum. We have a good information flow, things are moving along for the election, events are getting organized. I guess it depends on how much effort your ROs do or yourselves.

03-02-2005, 11:46 AM	#16 (permalink)
UKIP MAN Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,898	There is one point. If the area that you are living in do not put a UKIP candidate up for Election, but Veritas do! or visa versa, are you going to vote lab, tory or varitas? I know what I will do. so what is the point of having a go at each other......

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