Who were you?

Julian Morrison · 01-02-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jp

If it weren't for UKIP (or maybe Veritas) I just wouldn't vote. No option for this. In Maggies day, I voted for her.

Likewise (except for Maggie, I was in school at the time!)

I'm a Libertarian Anarchist and I don't particularly agree with democracy, normally I wouldn't vote. UKIP is a special case because it would erase a whole layer of government. That's a big enough plus IMO to override the badness of supporting a force-backed government at all.

Biscuitman · 01-02-2005, 12:45 PM

My folks were working class but my dad was a Junior Unionist as he believed under the Tories wealth trickled down whilst all labour did was destroy.

In the 70s and through the miners strikes period I was socialist, came to admire Maggie, (blush), for leading us in one directionuntil we were out of trouble.

Problem was that she kept going and led us over a cliff.

Became disenchanted with politicians as a whole because nobody was telling the truth over europe.

Was going to stand as an independent under "The All Night Bring A Bottle Bluzes Party" when I found UKIP.

I read the manifesto, (can I ask how many people moaning we aint not got a new manifesto have read the old one - which until we get the new new one actually is the old new one?) - and decided the party would do for me.

In that respect THE PARTY will still do for me, regardless of who the leader is its THE PARTY and what it stands for.

Although I am disapointed that they've renaged on their promise to adopt my slogan, "BRITAIN BAKES A BETTER BISCUIT"

Tom Wilde · 01-02-2005, 01:08 PM

Darn - I should have read the question more carefully before casting my vote for 'something else'!

Where was I? I usually used to vote for the Tories in national elections and for the LibDems in local elections. I was briefly in the Conservative Students at university but tended to support the 'classical liberal' tendency within that party. After uni, I moved somewhat leftwards in the sense of giving more support than before to the welfare state; I dropped out of party politics and got involved in human rights campaigns. (Amnesty, mostly). Joined UKIP just before the 1997 general election.

Where am I now? If UKIP suddenly vanished (and I hope it won't - things aren't that bad!) then I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour, Tories or the LibDems - though I think the LibDems are the best of a bad lot apart from their dreadful EU policies. Nor would I now ever vote for Kilroy, though I might support Veritas under different leadership. I admire the Greens for their environmentalism but fret that they haven't got the hang of the connection between freedom and free trade, so on the whole I think I'd join the Liberal Party. They haven't a hope, but I like them and I know what they stand for.

Having said that, I shall now push aside such gloomy thoughts - UKIP isn't finished and the hour is always darkest before the dawn (which must make this about 6am!)

mkpdavies · 01-02-2005, 01:36 PM

If we are talking about who we used to vote for. I supported Labour as soon as I got the right to vote. Simply because my father was a Labour supporter, as was his father before him. I actually voted for Neil Kinnock would you believe, but that was when I really was still a boy. I was at University while grants were being taking away, the Poll tax meant students were being expected to pay more and lets face it we were all getting sick of the Tories.

Tony Blair came along and I was so desperate to see the Tories out, I fell for all his lies and spin. He promised a fresh new start which Britain was again in need of after a very dreary John Major tenure. By the time he was in power, helped to my eternal shame by me, I was properly in work and having the time of my life.

Half way through Blairs term I started to see what a liar and career polititan he is. All of the people around him were **** kissers of the first degree and his dedication to selling out Britain became apparent. I was lost at this stage, as I could see he was doing Britain no good. The real evidence that he was going to treat the people with contempt, as he pushed through his agenda became even more obvious with the fuel protests.

Still fairly gullable, I voted for the Lib Dems, as the Tories were a joke and in my mind after only really reading and watching mainstream news, UKIP were a branch of the Tories. A wasted vote indeed and at the time, while I was warey of the EU, I hadn't really looked INTO phpbb_it that much.

Things changed when I started getting more free time to use the internet. For the first time I had access to information that was not spoon fed to me by the mainstream. I got interested in all the weird and wonderful sites out there, and after a while followed up on my uneasy feeling about the EU.

I started out with the objective, to find out why all the mainstream parties seemed so hell bent on the EU. The whole issue if the Tory "********" had intrigued me before, but I had written them off as cranks. The horrible realisation that they were not cranks at all, but had a real case came when I couln't find any real reason for this handover. This is the same for me now, only we are further along the road.

UKIP was the only choice available to me, so I checked out their website. I was stunned to see they were really a libertarian organisation as well as being anti-eu. This was good engough for me, so I signed up!

It was great being involved in the explosion in popularity in UKIP, it couldn't keep going at the pace it was. However, I just hope this Veritas thing is a breathing space, before the party takes a look at itself and takes all the measure required to take it to the next level.

Telford Liberal · 01-02-2005, 02:46 PM

I`m a little concerned to see that 6% favour the BNP...

mkpdavies · 01-02-2005, 02:56 PM

It's only one person, and I would hazard a guess at it being our resident BNP supporter Nationalist.

He is open about who he supports and has been nothing but polite on the forum.

We have a very liberal entrance policy here! Anyone welcome who treats the forum and it's users with respect. Even pro-EU people!

Telford Liberal · 01-02-2005, 07:32 PM

Oh, it isn`t a criticism of the board, and I welcome your open policy (you let me post, so you must be open! lol). It was just a surprise to see someone had voted for the BNP that`s all.

Optimus Prime · 01-02-2005, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telford Liberal

I`m a little concerned to see that 6% favour the BNP...

Don't you mean unsiprised?

Just a little joke there.

I'm suprised more people haven't specified what their "something else" is as thats winning by a mile, with of course, the loonies unsuprisingly in second place.

That wasn't a joke.

Anthony Butcher · 01-02-2005, 10:14 PM

Health Concern and the Lib Dems before that.

Tom Wilde · 02-02-2005, 04:21 PM

Actually, if you read the posts earlier in the thread, I think it's clear that the lone ex-BNP member is GTFC_Adam, whose post says:

Quote:

When I was naive about politics, yet still beleived in EU exit and return to law and order, I stumbled on the BNP website. I joined, yet within moments of meeting the local organiser, I realised what a ****-up I'd made!

Honest of him to have mentioned it.

View Poll Results: If you didn't support UKIP, which party would you support
Tories	2	9.52%
labour	1	4.76%
BNP	2	9.52%
LibDems	0	0%
SNP	0	0%
Monster Looney	2	9.52%
Something else	14	66.67%
Voters: 21. You may not vote on this poll

01-02-2005, 12:45 PM	#12 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	My folks were working class but my dad was a Junior Unionist as he believed under the Tories wealth trickled down whilst all labour did was destroy. In the 70s and through the miners strikes period I was socialist, came to admire Maggie, (blush), for leading us in one directionuntil we were out of trouble. Problem was that she kept going and led us over a cliff. Became disenchanted with politicians as a whole because nobody was telling the truth over europe. Was going to stand as an independent under "The All Night Bring A Bottle Bluzes Party" when I found UKIP. I read the manifesto, (can I ask how many people moaning we aint not got a new manifesto have read the old one - which until we get the new new one actually is the old new one?) - and decided the party would do for me. In that respect THE PARTY will still do for me, regardless of who the leader is its THE PARTY and what it stands for. Although I am disapointed that they've renaged on their promise to adopt my slogan, "BRITAIN BAKES A BETTER BISCUIT" __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

01-02-2005, 01:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,832 Party: Libertarian Party	If we are talking about who we used to vote for. I supported Labour as soon as I got the right to vote. Simply because my father was a Labour supporter, as was his father before him. I actually voted for Neil Kinnock would you believe, but that was when I really was still a boy. I was at University while grants were being taking away, the Poll tax meant students were being expected to pay more and lets face it we were all getting sick of the Tories. Tony Blair came along and I was so desperate to see the Tories out, I fell for all his lies and spin. He promised a fresh new start which Britain was again in need of after a very dreary John Major tenure. By the time he was in power, helped to my eternal shame by me, I was properly in work and having the time of my life. Half way through Blairs term I started to see what a liar and career polititan he is. All of the people around him were ** kissers of the first degree and his dedication to selling out Britain became apparent. I was lost at this stage, as I could see he was doing Britain no good. The real evidence that he was going to treat the people with contempt, as he pushed through his agenda became even more obvious with the fuel protests. Still fairly gullable, I voted for the Lib Dems, as the Tories were a joke and in my mind after only really reading and watching mainstream news, UKIP were a branch of the Tories. A wasted vote indeed and at the time, while I was warey of the EU, I hadn't really looked INTO phpbb_it that much. Things changed when I started getting more free time to use the internet. For the first time I had access to information that was not spoon fed to me by the mainstream. I got interested in all the weird and wonderful sites out there, and after a while followed up on my uneasy feeling about the EU. I started out with the objective, to find out why all the mainstream parties seemed so hell bent on the EU. The whole issue if the Tory "******" had intrigued me before, but I had written them off as cranks. The horrible realisation that they were not cranks at all, but had a real case came when I couln't find any real reason for this handover. This is the same for me now, only we are further along the road. UKIP was the only choice available to me, so I checked out their website. I was stunned to see they were really a libertarian organisation as well as being anti-eu. This was good engough for me, so I signed up! It was great being involved in the explosion in popularity in UKIP, it couldn't keep going at the pace it was. However, I just hope this Veritas thing is a breathing space, before the party takes a look at itself and takes all the measure required to take it to the next level. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

01-02-2005, 02:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
Telford Liberal Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 34	I`m a little concerned to see that 6% favour the BNP... __________________ Radical Centre, not dead centre

01-02-2005, 02:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,832 Party: Libertarian Party	It's only one person, and I would hazard a guess at it being our resident BNP supporter Nationalist. He is open about who he supports and has been nothing but polite on the forum. We have a very liberal entrance policy here! Anyone welcome who treats the forum and it's users with respect. Even pro-EU people! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

01-02-2005, 01:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,887	Darn - I should have read the question more carefully before casting my vote for 'something else'! Where was I? I usually used to vote for the Tories in national elections and for the LibDems in local elections. I was briefly in the Conservative Students at university but tended to support the 'classical liberal' tendency within that party. After uni, I moved somewhat leftwards in the sense of giving more support than before to the welfare state; I dropped out of party politics and got involved in human rights campaigns. (Amnesty, mostly). Joined UKIP just before the 1997 general election. Where am I now? If UKIP suddenly vanished (and I hope it won't - things aren't that bad!) then I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour, Tories or the LibDems - though I think the LibDems are the best of a bad lot apart from their dreadful EU policies. Nor would I now ever vote for Kilroy, though I might support Veritas under different leadership. I admire the Greens for their environmentalism but fret that they haven't got the hang of the connection between freedom and free trade, so on the whole I think I'd join the Liberal Party. They haven't a hope, but I like them and I know what they stand for. Having said that, I shall now push aside such gloomy thoughts - UKIP isn't finished and the hour is always darkest before the dawn (which must make this about 6am!)

01-02-2005, 07:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
Telford Liberal Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Telford, Shropshire Posts: 34	Oh, it isn`t a criticism of the board, and I welcome your open policy (you let me post, so you must be open! lol). It was just a surprise to see someone had voted for the BNP that`s all. __________________ Radical Centre, not dead centre

01-02-2005, 10:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,140 Party: None	Health Concern and the Lib Dems before that.

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