Paul Sykes

Anthony Butcher · 21-01-2005, 11:06 PM

Absolutely, Dave. RKS was wrongly blamed, I think as part of a smear campaign against him. Certainly he assisted the vote to go against the motion, but it would have gone that way anyway. It was the party motion that caused Paul Sykes to walk, not RKS.

Biscuitman · 21-01-2005, 11:08 PM

RK-S was the escape clause that Sykes needed before he parted with cash.

No matter what RK-S said or did Sykes would have gone.

At my inauguration , (excuse spelling but I've been drinking a bottle of israeli wine a client brought back for me... tastes like liquid sugar but it says 12.5% on the label and thats good enough), meeting i said that we were witnessing the death throws of the Tory party - that was August last year and quite perceptive of me.

The death throws of the Tory party... absolutely correct... when Dulux-Silk stood up at the party convention... and chanted "Kill the Tories!" he may have meant to follow my example but his choice of words- to a party mostly comprised of disaffected Tories was inappropriate... (If you'd picked up the phone Bob I'd have put you right).

This lost us a LOT of support and our band wagon stalled.

One mistake, but theres many a slip between cup and lip, loose talk cost lives etc etc.

I accept that the NEC have made many more mistakes - then agin they havent 'cos they dont do beggar all!! But it was a major lack of judgement, but with an enfant terrible you have to take the rough with the silky smooth.

Best I end here I'm so goosed I've lost the thread.

goodnight all and a final raminder.

DONT RISK IT VOTE BISCUIT!!!!

mkpdavies · 21-01-2005, 11:31 PM

From what I read an heard, Mr Sykes was very confused as to why he left. I don't blame him, this place has been a bit confusing recently. However, things are clearing up now, the choices are more obvious. If Paul was willing to abide by the memberships vote, then I for one would welcome him back INTO phpbb_the fold.

Dave · 21-01-2005, 11:42 PM

he has just as big an ego as RK-S, in fact they are similar in many ways, I totally roasted him in a fax about not standing in Hodge Hill, calling the little sub committee all the names under the sun, as I like a good fight, I put my numerous phone numbers on, not expecting anyone to phone back, I'll give him his due, he did, so there's me standing in the middle of York having a big barney down the phone about politics with a bloke whose worth half a billion quid, who I think did not expect me to be as forthright verbally as I had been on the fax, but we ended agreeing to disagree, chatting away like old muckers, I like him, but not at any cost.

You have seen interview I gave, if he was to come back on board noone would be staning in that constituency, and theres a tight call on numbers there, a missed oppotunity.

Dave

mkpdavies · 21-01-2005, 11:46 PM

Well UKIPS position is non negotiable. If he really does want to overturn our decisions, then you are right, he should stay away. If however he wants to help us get Britian out of the EU, and I am sure he wants this more than anything, we should give him a chance, and he should give us a chance!

Either way, I am pumped up for the battle now!

B.A.Ware · 22-01-2005, 12:32 AM

Personally I would rather go INTO phpbb_Europe (and I don’t mean that lightly) than have him back he is just a rich kid playing games. In one minute out the next he has done the same with the Tory’s
If he really believed in coming out of Europe why did he leave don’t blame RKS that’s ********. He left because we as a party voted to stand against Eurosceptic Tory’s if he was so anti Europe he would have stood his ground.
Now you people have shown your true colours, you can be bought. I know that more money could bring us success sooner, well at what price what if Bernie Ecclestone said I will give you one million pounds if you put F1 on your flag you would all say yes its no harm.
How wrong you are, the day we make deals for money is the day we are not independent. You can all say we will have him back but he laid his cards on the table when he went back to the Tory’s but that doesn’t bother you lot does it. And they say money cant buy you love no but it can buy you power.

mkpdavies · 22-01-2005, 01:29 AM

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Personally I would rather go INTO phpbb_Europe (and I don’t mean that lightly) than have him back he is just a rich kid playing games

Come back in the mornign after a sleep and tell me don't mean that! I would lose an arm rather than hand over to the EU.

B.A.Ware · 22-01-2005, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

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Come back in the mornign after a sleep and tell me don't mean that! I would lose an arm rather than hand over to the EU.

Ok I’ve had my sleep now and yes maybe I was going a bit extreme, but I feel really angry when rich people can buy influence And the likes of Paul Sykes would not come back with out strings or he would never haven left in the first place.

I’m afraid you put money in front of some people and they loose all sense of reason. People like Sir Jack and Lady Hayward have given money and dont ask for anything in return.

So lets not sell the party to the highest bidder its people on the ground who made the party and its people on the ground t who will run the party.

Here is a link if anyone wants to know how much people donate to political parties
http://www.cleanpolitix.com/fund/ind...i=0&top20=UKIP

Biscuitman · 22-01-2005, 11:11 AM

Impressive link BA... fully endorse what you say.

B.A.Ware · 22-01-2005, 11:24 AM

It’s a good link isn’t it, nice to see who is sponsoring the BNP I bet they don’t know the list is available to general public. Perhaps it will set off a panic when they see their names are there for every one to see.

dont risk it vote for Biscuit

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21-01-2005, 11:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	RK-S was the escape clause that Sykes needed before he parted with cash. No matter what RK-S said or did Sykes would have gone. At my inauguration , (excuse spelling but I've been drinking a bottle of israeli wine a client brought back for me... tastes like liquid sugar but it says 12.5% on the label and thats good enough), meeting i said that we were witnessing the death throws of the Tory party - that was August last year and quite perceptive of me. The death throws of the Tory party... absolutely correct... when Dulux-Silk stood up at the party convention... and chanted "Kill the Tories!" he may have meant to follow my example but his choice of words- to a party mostly comprised of disaffected Tories was inappropriate... (If you'd picked up the phone Bob I'd have put you right). This lost us a LOT of support and our band wagon stalled. One mistake, but theres many a slip between cup and lip, loose talk cost lives etc etc. I accept that the NEC have made many more mistakes - then agin they havent 'cos they dont do beggar all!! But it was a major lack of judgement, but with an enfant terrible you have to take the rough with the silky smooth. Best I end here I'm so goosed I've lost the thread. goodnight all and a final raminder. DONT RISK IT VOTE BISCUIT!!!! __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

21-01-2005, 11:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	From what I read an heard, Mr Sykes was very confused as to why he left. I don't blame him, this place has been a bit confusing recently. However, things are clearing up now, the choices are more obvious. If Paul was willing to abide by the memberships vote, then I for one would welcome him back INTO phpbb_the fold. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

21-01-2005, 11:46 PM	#15 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Well UKIPS position is non negotiable. If he really does want to overturn our decisions, then you are right, he should stay away. If however he wants to help us get Britian out of the EU, and I am sure he wants this more than anything, we should give him a chance, and he should give us a chance! Either way, I am pumped up for the battle now! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

22-01-2005, 11:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	Impressive link BA... fully endorse what you say. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

21-01-2005, 11:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,821 Party: None	Absolutely, Dave. RKS was wrongly blamed, I think as part of a smear campaign against him. Certainly he assisted the vote to go against the motion, but it would have gone that way anyway. It was the party motion that caused Paul Sykes to walk, not RKS.

21-01-2005, 11:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	he has just as big an ego as RK-S, in fact they are similar in many ways, I totally roasted him in a fax about not standing in Hodge Hill, calling the little sub committee all the names under the sun, as I like a good fight, I put my numerous phone numbers on, not expecting anyone to phone back, I'll give him his due, he did, so there's me standing in the middle of York having a big barney down the phone about politics with a bloke whose worth half a billion quid, who I think did not expect me to be as forthright verbally as I had been on the fax, but we ended agreeing to disagree, chatting away like old muckers, I like him, but not at any cost. You have seen interview I gave, if he was to come back on board noone would be staning in that constituency, and theres a tight call on numbers there, a missed oppotunity. Dave

22-01-2005, 12:32 AM	#16 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,301 Party: UKIP	Personally I would rather go INTO phpbb_Europe (and I don’t mean that lightly) than have him back he is just a rich kid playing games. In one minute out the next he has done the same with the Tory’s If he really believed in coming out of Europe why did he leave don’t blame RKS that’s ********. He left because we as a party voted to stand against Eurosceptic Tory’s if he was so anti Europe he would have stood his ground. Now you people have shown your true colours, you can be bought. I know that more money could bring us success sooner, well at what price what if Bernie Ecclestone said I will give you one million pounds if you put F1 on your flag you would all say yes its no harm. How wrong you are, the day we make deals for money is the day we are not independent. You can all say we will have him back but he laid his cards on the table when he went back to the Tory’s but that doesn’t bother you lot does it. And they say money cant buy you love no but it can buy you power.

22-01-2005, 11:24 AM	#20 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,301 Party: UKIP	It’s a good link isn’t it, nice to see who is sponsoring the BNP I bet they don’t know the list is available to general public. Perhaps it will set off a panic when they see their names are there for every one to see. dont risk it vote for Biscuit

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