Guardian. The most biased pile of toilet paper there is.

mkpdavies · 21-01-2005, 02:11 AM

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/eu/st...395472,00.html

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Robert Kilroy-Silk threw Britain's rightwing fringe INTO phpbb_disarray last night when he confirmed mounting speculation that he is leaving the UK Independence party, which he helped snatch third place in the 2004 European elections.

Right-wing fringe, every opportunity to say it they do. They are not a newspaper at all, but one big propaganda machine.

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Mr Kilroy-Silk, whose call at last year's Ukip conference to "kill" off the Conservatives helped split the party

No it didn't split the party. Most people are happy to kill of the Tories. No split what-so-ever.

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Behind last night's falling-out lies the fact that the so-called "perma-tan" politician,

Thats it, take the **** out of his skin colour again. Can't he sue them for this?

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In a statement, Ukip pointed out that Mr Kilroy-Silk was elected thanks to their supporters' hard work and expressed "disappointment" that "he felt unable to work as part of our team". He was urged to "resign his seat so that a genuine Ukip MEP may take his place to represent what the electorate voted for" - as EU systems of voting permit.

It's up to him, as he certainly deserved the seat. However, he has made it clear he would rather not go to Brussels. If he is holding onto it out of spite, then that is sad!

Karen · 24-01-2005, 11:09 AM

He is holding onto it as you can play the system and get up to £200,000 a year. That is not 'sad' that is enough to make him really cheerful!
As for 'The Guardian' at least they do report on UKIP matters. Seen the name UKIP in the 'Daily Mail' lately?

mkpdavies · 24-01-2005, 01:27 PM

I know. The Mail is a Tory rag all the way. They may have the odd sensible comment, with the odd stupid one thrown in. They have their allegiences though, and thus they are no better than any other "news"paper.

It is known by the Libbys as the Daily Mailicious, and going on the Tories latest policy on stopping real asylum seekers, they are not far wrong!

Bluemerle · 24-01-2005, 05:41 PM

The following two e-mails were sent to Ms Ashley.

Dear Ms. Ashley,

As a long-time member of UKIP I find your statement in your Guardian
article that "the UK Independence party was represented by a collection of dandruff-decorated, rumpled old men in dark suits who seemed to have been drawn from a provincial solicitors' office in the 1950s. "
to be singularly offensive, not least coming from someone married to a man often caricatured on television as a jerky puppet, and who probably
supported in the past those two dandies of the Left - Shirley (Through a
hedge, backwards) Williams and Michael (Donkey Jacket) Foot..

Members, supporters and representatives of UKIP range from a few crumpled and dishevelled through presentable to the immaculately dressed and even to the occasional dandy - as do members, supporters and representatives of other parties. Our most prominent representative, Nigel Farage and Jeffrey Titford, to take only two examples, I have known him, has never appeared at any meeting of any kind when less than immaculate.

As for "old" - have you ever been to a meeting of the organisation whose
views you support - the European Movement - intent on giving away
government of this country to the unelected jobsworths (and worse) of
Brussels? The first time I went to a European Movement meeting (I hasten to add, to disagree with them) I was puzzled to see so many fire extinguishers - until I realised they were oxygen cylinders understandable when I heard the retiring chairman of the Petersfield branch claimed to have heard the guns of the Somme from his childhood home in Kent! You might also be interested to know that support for UKIP and its central policy, that after practising for 1,000 years, we are quite capable of running Britain without help from the crooks, charlatans, empire-builders and self-seeking liars of Brussels, is highest amongst the young and those in their early twenties.

Polls consistently show that treachery, treason and simplistic belief that
others can do for us what we are incapable of doing for ourselves, common to those who, like you and other Guardianistas, support our involvement in the European Union is strongest amongst the generation who grew up amidst the manifold failiures of Wilson, Heath, Wilson again and Callaghan, in the 1960s and 1970s. As more and more commentators observe, the EU is a solution to the problems of forty years ago, and as such, worse than useless.

I was present three of four years ago at a Panorama debate where you sat amongst the treasonous Europhile and, if memory serves, spoke on favour of our membership of the euro. I received no answer from your side to my question, late in the debate, when I asked, on whose
authority you proposed to give away our Constitutional right to rule
ourselves. You might wish to spare a few minutes from writing subversive rubbish for Guardian readers to read the 1689 Bill of Rights, and then explain to me how you justify breaching so many of its clauses. Oh - and in case you wonder - the Bill of Rights, like Magna Carta, is still on the statute book - see Lord Justice Laws' judgement in the Metric Martyrs case, amongst others

Must dash - have to get my light grey and light tan suites from the
cleaners, in preparation for the new - but quite possibly the last - season
of having to fight for out freedom.

Yours sincerely.

*************

Dear Ms Ashley,

As a founder-member of UKIP, at the grand old age of 35, I wasn't too
enamoured of your description of the party but I am happy that we are now bugging you of the establishment parties so much that you all now want to rubbish us.

What I find truly annoying is your insistence that the important thing is
to promote and defend the parliamentary system. Which parliament exactly
are you referring to? Ours or the one in Brussels and Strasbourg? If you
mean ours then surely you should logically be campaigning to bring back the powers that have been given away to the non-democracy in Brussels. At the very least you should be campaigning against the further emasculation which would occur under the proposed EU Constitution.

But, it seems, no. As usual, the liberal establishment solution to the
wasting away of people's faith in our political system (possibly because
they know how useless parliament now is) is to educate the public more.
Just like the European Commission : the answer is not to respond to
people's concerns, it is to issue more press releases, take on more PR
people, and give the kiddies citizenship lessons so they grow up as nice,
compliant people to be bossed around by those who know better i.e you.

I would welcome many more insults from you in the future as you respond to the future electoral kicks we will deliver to you.

Yours sincerely

mkpdavies · 24-01-2005, 06:17 PM

Good replies!

I wonder if the write could give a damn. Why let the truth get in the way of a good rant eh!

24-01-2005, 01:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	I know. The Mail is a Tory rag all the way. They may have the odd sensible comment, with the odd stupid one thrown in. They have their allegiences though, and thus they are no better than any other "news"paper. It is known by the Libbys as the Daily Mailicious, and going on the Tories latest policy on stopping real asylum seekers, they are not far wrong! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Good replies! I wonder if the write could give a damn. Why let the truth get in the way of a good rant eh! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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24-01-2005, 11:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
Karen Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maldon Posts: 302	He is holding onto it as you can play the system and get up to £200,000 a year. That is not 'sad' that is enough to make him really cheerful! As for 'The Guardian' at least they do report on UKIP matters. Seen the name UKIP in the 'Daily Mail' lately?

24-01-2005, 05:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	The following two e-mails were sent to Ms Ashley. Dear Ms. Ashley, As a long-time member of UKIP I find your statement in your Guardian article that "the UK Independence party was represented by a collection of dandruff-decorated, rumpled old men in dark suits who seemed to have been drawn from a provincial solicitors' office in the 1950s. " to be singularly offensive, not least coming from someone married to a man often caricatured on television as a jerky puppet, and who probably supported in the past those two dandies of the Left - Shirley (Through a hedge, backwards) Williams and Michael (Donkey Jacket) Foot.. Members, supporters and representatives of UKIP range from a few crumpled and dishevelled through presentable to the immaculately dressed and even to the occasional dandy - as do members, supporters and representatives of other parties. Our most prominent representative, Nigel Farage and Jeffrey Titford, to take only two examples, I have known him, has never appeared at any meeting of any kind when less than immaculate. As for "old" - have you ever been to a meeting of the organisation whose views you support - the European Movement - intent on giving away government of this country to the unelected jobsworths (and worse) of Brussels? The first time I went to a European Movement meeting (I hasten to add, to disagree with them) I was puzzled to see so many fire extinguishers - until I realised they were oxygen cylinders understandable when I heard the retiring chairman of the Petersfield branch claimed to have heard the guns of the Somme from his childhood home in Kent! You might also be interested to know that support for UKIP and its central policy, that after practising for 1,000 years, we are quite capable of running Britain without help from the crooks, charlatans, empire-builders and self-seeking liars of Brussels, is highest amongst the young and those in their early twenties. Polls consistently show that treachery, treason and simplistic belief that others can do for us what we are incapable of doing for ourselves, common to those who, like you and other Guardianistas, support our involvement in the European Union is strongest amongst the generation who grew up amidst the manifold failiures of Wilson, Heath, Wilson again and Callaghan, in the 1960s and 1970s. As more and more commentators observe, the EU is a solution to the problems of forty years ago, and as such, worse than useless. I was present three of four years ago at a Panorama debate where you sat amongst the treasonous Europhile and, if memory serves, spoke on favour of our membership of the euro. I received no answer from your side to my question, late in the debate, when I asked, on whose authority you proposed to give away our Constitutional right to rule ourselves. You might wish to spare a few minutes from writing subversive rubbish for Guardian readers to read the 1689 Bill of Rights, and then explain to me how you justify breaching so many of its clauses. Oh - and in case you wonder - the Bill of Rights, like Magna Carta, is still on the statute book - see Lord Justice Laws' judgement in the Metric Martyrs case, amongst others Must dash - have to get my light grey and light tan suites from the cleaners, in preparation for the new - but quite possibly the last - season of having to fight for out freedom. Yours sincerely. ************* Dear Ms Ashley, As a founder-member of UKIP, at the grand old age of 35, I wasn't too enamoured of your description of the party but I am happy that we are now bugging you of the establishment parties so much that you all now want to rubbish us. What I find truly annoying is your insistence that the important thing is to promote and defend the parliamentary system. Which parliament exactly are you referring to? Ours or the one in Brussels and Strasbourg? If you mean ours then surely you should logically be campaigning to bring back the powers that have been given away to the non-democracy in Brussels. At the very least you should be campaigning against the further emasculation which would occur under the proposed EU Constitution. But, it seems, no. As usual, the liberal establishment solution to the wasting away of people's faith in our political system (possibly because they know how useless parliament now is) is to educate the public more. Just like the European Commission : the answer is not to respond to people's concerns, it is to issue more press releases, take on more PR people, and give the kiddies citizenship lessons so they grow up as nice, compliant people to be bossed around by those who know better i.e you. I would welcome many more insults from you in the future as you respond to the future electoral kicks we will deliver to you. Yours sincerely