Don't forget Hull today!

mkpdavies · 13-01-2005, 12:47 PM

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/local...389653,00.html

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A local election in Hull is taking place for the second time today following a high court challenge over a ward seat won by the UK Independence party (Ukip) last summer.

Anyone in that region make sure you vote and do all you can to get others to vote UKIP too!

tyke · 13-01-2005, 06:54 PM

It's being held in a hairdressers and is for Hull West. The last vote was postal and was such a **** up it had to be held again

TheVoiceOfReason · 14-01-2005, 12:16 AM

UKIP in fourth with 13.4%. Down some 15%.

Oh dear.

mkpdavies · 14-01-2005, 08:19 AM

Well that was pathetic. Did we even bother to campaign at all? Even worse is the fact the Lib Dems got in. what happened to make our vote collapse like that? All other elections have been positive for us recently, so I would be interested to know what kind of campaign the Lib Dems ran there. If they are like my area, I am sure they will have put out some gate mail on UKIP to try and blacken out name.

Worked a treat if this is the case!

Nigel Garage · 14-01-2005, 11:45 AM

It gives me no pleasure to say this, but this is what's going to happen right across the country in a general election unless something drastic happens soon with the leadership of this party.

tyke · 14-01-2005, 12:40 PM

I don't live in Hull, but I do live in the East Yorkshire area. I would say that it is the media that is the problem. Coverage of UKIP has severely diminished since RKS left the party.

Labour dominate the main media almost totally, so it is difficult for anyone else to get a look in. Not sure what the answer could be, except the very hard leg work it takes to push yourselves forward.

Nigel Garage · 14-01-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tyke

... Coverage of UKIP has severely diminished since RKS left the party.

There's your answer.

B.A.Ware · 14-01-2005, 03:12 PM

This result is unacceptable, what I want to know is what kind of campaign was run, were the big guns walking the streets and holding meetings not just for one day but for at least two weeks, why were people not aware of this election. Im bloody sure if there was a re-election of an MEP every body would have known and would have been asked to rally round and put there hands in their pocketsThis result is unacceptable, what I want to know is what kind of campaign was run, were the big guns walking the streets and holding meetings not just for one day but for at least two weeks, why were people not aware of this election. Im bloody sure if there was a re-election of an MEP every body would have known and would have been asked to rally round and put there hands in their pockets.What is the party going to do now, are they going to set up a committee to see where we went wrong, what actions are going to be put in place, what lessons have we learned and what do we need to do better. IF they don’t do these things they don’t deserve to be in charge.
HEADS SHOULD ROLL .

C_steam · 15-01-2005, 12:21 PM

It is one thing to say:-

Quote:

UKIP in fourth with 13.4%. Down some 15%.

Until you look at the hard numbers. Its worse. 2004, 945 people voted UKIP. seven months later, 320 people voted UKIP.

In other words, 34% of what UKIP got last time. And worse, Heads won't roll.

Tom Wilde · 16-01-2005, 04:40 PM

We shouldn't forget Hull today or ever.

I think many people in UKIP completely under-rate the importance of local elections. I've even heard occasional sneers about "standing in parish-pump elections." This lack of committment by people who think that only Westminster elections count then results in a relatively feeble effort being made in important local polls like the one in Hull.

I've heard that it is a well-known maxim among activists in the three old parties that unless a party holds at least one local council seat in a constituency, that party has virtually no hope of winning that constituency in a general election.

Has anybody else heard this? Does anybody know if it is true? To me it sounded like the wisdom of the ages, but I can't rule out the possibility that it is a load of old cobblers, and I would vastly appreciate some feedback from seasoned campaigners.

The one upset by a small party in recent general elections was when Richard Taylor of Health Concern became MP for Kidderminster. People often forget that before he won that seat, Health Concern had already captured quite a few seats on the local council.

Perhaps UKIP should be concentrating extra resources on those few constituencies where we hold local council seats. And we should be trying much harder to make sure we don't lose those local council seats that we already hold!

14-01-2005, 08:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,841 Party: Libertarian Party	Well that was pathetic. Did we even bother to campaign at all? Even worse is the fact the Lib Dems got in. what happened to make our vote collapse like that? All other elections have been positive for us recently, so I would be interested to know what kind of campaign the Lib Dems ran there. If they are like my area, I am sure they will have put out some gate mail on UKIP to try and blacken out name. Worked a treat if this is the case! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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13-01-2005, 06:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
tyke Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 240	It's being held in a hairdressers and is for Hull West. The last vote was postal and was such a **** up it had to be held again

14-01-2005, 12:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
TheVoiceOfReason Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 106	UKIP in fourth with 13.4%. Down some 15%. Oh dear.

14-01-2005, 11:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nigel Garage Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 557	It gives me no pleasure to say this, but this is what's going to happen right across the country in a general election unless something drastic happens soon with the leadership of this party.

14-01-2005, 12:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
tyke Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 240	I don't live in Hull, but I do live in the East Yorkshire area. I would say that it is the media that is the problem. Coverage of UKIP has severely diminished since RKS left the party. Labour dominate the main media almost totally, so it is difficult for anyone else to get a look in. Not sure what the answer could be, except the very hard leg work it takes to push yourselves forward.

14-01-2005, 03:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,499 Party: UKIP	This result is unacceptable, what I want to know is what kind of campaign was run, were the big guns walking the streets and holding meetings not just for one day but for at least two weeks, why were people not aware of this election. Im bloody sure if there was a re-election of an MEP every body would have known and would have been asked to rally round and put there hands in their pocketsThis result is unacceptable, what I want to know is what kind of campaign was run, were the big guns walking the streets and holding meetings not just for one day but for at least two weeks, why were people not aware of this election. Im bloody sure if there was a re-election of an MEP every body would have known and would have been asked to rally round and put there hands in their pockets.What is the party going to do now, are they going to set up a committee to see where we went wrong, what actions are going to be put in place, what lessons have we learned and what do we need to do better. IF they don’t do these things they don’t deserve to be in charge. HEADS SHOULD ROLL .

16-01-2005, 04:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tom Wilde Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London. Posts: 2,891	We shouldn't forget Hull today or ever. I think many people in UKIP completely under-rate the importance of local elections. I've even heard occasional sneers about "standing in parish-pump elections." This lack of committment by people who think that only Westminster elections count then results in a relatively feeble effort being made in important local polls like the one in Hull. I've heard that it is a well-known maxim among activists in the three old parties that unless a party holds at least one local council seat in a constituency, that party has virtually no hope of winning that constituency in a general election. Has anybody else heard this? Does anybody know if it is true? To me it sounded like the wisdom of the ages, but I can't rule out the possibility that it is a load of old cobblers, and I would vastly appreciate some feedback from seasoned campaigners. The one upset by a small party in recent general elections was when Richard Taylor of Health Concern became MP for Kidderminster. People often forget that before he won that seat, Health Concern had already captured quite a few seats on the local council. Perhaps UKIP should be concentrating extra resources on those few constituencies where we hold local council seats. And we should be trying much harder to make sure we don't lose those local council seats that we already hold!