Manifesto

mkpdavies · 09-01-2005, 07:20 PM

I hear a few people goin on about releasing the official UKIP manifesto. None of the other main parties have released theirs! What do people think UKIP should do?

mkpdavies · 09-01-2005, 07:22 PM

Personaly I want to see the Labour party release theirs first. I wouldn't want UKIP to release only to find Labour have pulled some trick!

C_steam · 09-01-2005, 07:37 PM

Main point is that there has to be a total package. One problem with UKIP is that it is seen as a single issue party, this impediment needs to be overcome in the mind of the voters PRONTO.

Hence we need accompanying fanfare, spokespeople, press launch and so on.

Mind you, if it has any more eccentric **** about roundabouts and traffic lights though I'm out of here! It has to be a serious piece of writing.

Biscuitman · 09-01-2005, 09:50 PM

My view in business is that if others are also making a presentation to a client then I want to bat last.

That way I can modify my presentation and pull holes in the others.

Having said that, if we get ours out first and one of the others nicks, or comes up with one of our policies by chance, we can accuse them of being copycats which gives us the kudos.

Bear in mind, the manifesto is a broad palatte of ideas for the next five years, it allows the 2% of the population that read manifestos to get an overall flavour of what we're about. It is the policies we propose for THIS election that count.

But to the media we need to show that we have got ideas for all sections of the economy - they don't neccesarily have to be different to whats in force, we just need to have an opinion, and show that WE are the party that will have the funds to fulfill those policies.

Anthony Butcher · 09-01-2005, 10:43 PM

Off the top of my head, I say release it as and when we are completely happy with it. Ignore what the other parties are doing; the rest of the public ignore such announcements anyway.

The manifesto is really most relevent to the party campaigners so that they have something to say on the doorsteps and in the leaflets.

I don't think that we need to worry about the other parties commenting in it. Nor do I think that the mainstream media will pay the slightest bit of attention to a political publication like a manifesto for UKIP.

Julian Morrison · 10-01-2005, 06:49 AM

Get it right, then get it out early, detailed, and browseable online. If need be it can be tweaked and tuned while attention is still mostly elsewhere.

Oh, and the manifesto needs to be segmented:
- what UKIP would do as the national government,
- what UKIP would bring to the table as a coalition partner in a hung parliament,
- what individual UKIP candidates plan to do if some of them are elected as MPs, but UKIP is not in government.

The second two outcomes are quite conceivable to happen. Informing people about them would be useful.

Julian Morrison · 10-01-2005, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

Nor do I think that the mainstream media will pay the slightest bit of attention to a political publication like a manifesto for UKIP.

Think 21st century. When people think "who shall I vote for", quite a few of them are going to click their Google bookmark and type in "UKIP manifesto".

The earlier it's out, the better Google will spider it...

Anthony Butcher · 10-01-2005, 08:01 AM

I would imagine that people would be looking for the headline policies, rather than a manifesto that sprawls over numerous pages, so we should definitely create a cut down version and optimise it for the search engines.

Bluemerle · 10-01-2005, 09:43 AM

This was an e-mail I received and tend to agree with everything said:-

"The approach I have always taken is to stress to voters that the issue of EU membership transcends domestic politics. Whichever way a voter habitually votes in domestic elections, he can't be happy that the MP he sends to Westminster has no power. Therefore Vote UKIP, and after we have repatriated power to Westminster, we can all return to pre-1973 political 'business as usual'.

In other words, I think it very helpful to explain to voters that we are
fighting about a constitutional issue rather than a political issue, that is
to say how politics in this country is to be run, rather than the actual
politics itself. If we get too 'political' there is a danger we will get
mired in detail and lose the big picture.

For example, I was very struck how at the Labour Party Conference, the
delegates voted for the renationalisation of the railways. Whatever any of
us thinks about that issue, the way forward is to stress that at present it
simply cannot be done because of EU competition policy. Get out of the EU, and then we can have a national debate on how exactly we want our railways run. The same with the Post Office sell-off. For ordinary left-leaning voters it is an absolute eye-opener to learn why we cannot control the future of our railways and postal services.

While it is posssible that UKIP will replace the Conservative Party, as
Labour replaced the Liberals a hundred years ago, I think it more probable that UKIP will force the Tories to adopt our policy in 2009/2010. Once the Conservatives win that election and take us out of the EU, I see UKIP disbanding honourably, its agenda achieved".

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Once the Conservatives win that election and take us out of the EU, I see UKIP disbanding honourably, its agenda achieved".

Some people will never learn. The Tories will never take us out of the EU, they love it, it guarantees they stay part of the political elite. Look at the history of the Tories and how much they have given away, then look at how anti-EU members are treated by the party.

How much stronger does this coffee have to get, before it wakes these blue die-hards up?

View Poll Results: When should the mainifesto be launched?
Before everyone else, first is the most effective!	3	37.50%
Wait until all other parties release, get the final say!	2	25.00%
Wait until a specific party has released, target them!	1	12.50%
Some other option, please comment!	2	25.00%
Voters: 8. You may not vote on this poll

09-01-2005, 07:20 PM	#1 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Manifesto I hear a few people goin on about releasing the official UKIP manifesto. None of the other main parties have released theirs! What do people think UKIP should do?

09-01-2005, 07:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Personaly I want to see the Labour party release theirs first. I wouldn't want UKIP to release only to find Labour have pulled some trick! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-01-2005, 09:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	My view in business is that if others are also making a presentation to a client then I want to bat last. That way I can modify my presentation and pull holes in the others. Having said that, if we get ours out first and one of the others nicks, or comes up with one of our policies by chance, we can accuse them of being copycats which gives us the kudos. Bear in mind, the manifesto is a broad palatte of ideas for the next five years, it allows the 2% of the population that read manifestos to get an overall flavour of what we're about. It is the policies we propose for THIS election that count. But to the media we need to show that we have got ideas for all sections of the economy - they don't neccesarily have to be different to whats in force, we just need to have an opinion, and show that WE are the party that will have the funds to fulfill those policies. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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09-01-2005, 07:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,500	Main point is that there has to be a total package. One problem with UKIP is that it is seen as a single issue party, this impediment needs to be overcome in the mind of the voters PRONTO. Hence we need accompanying fanfare, spokespeople, press launch and so on. Mind you, if it has any more eccentric **** about roundabouts and traffic lights though I'm out of here! It has to be a serious piece of writing.

09-01-2005, 10:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,818 Party: None	Off the top of my head, I say release it as and when we are completely happy with it. Ignore what the other parties are doing; the rest of the public ignore such announcements anyway. The manifesto is really most relevent to the party campaigners so that they have something to say on the doorsteps and in the leaflets. I don't think that we need to worry about the other parties commenting in it. Nor do I think that the mainstream media will pay the slightest bit of attention to a political publication like a manifesto for UKIP.

10-01-2005, 06:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
Julian Morrison Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Banbury, England Posts: 198	Get it right, then get it out early, detailed, and browseable online. If need be it can be tweaked and tuned while attention is still mostly elsewhere. Oh, and the manifesto needs to be segmented: - what UKIP would do as the national government, - what UKIP would bring to the table as a coalition partner in a hung parliament, - what individual UKIP candidates plan to do if some of them are elected as MPs, but UKIP is not in government. The second two outcomes are quite conceivable to happen. Informing people about them would be useful.

10-01-2005, 08:01 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,818 Party: None	I would imagine that people would be looking for the headline policies, rather than a manifesto that sprawls over numerous pages, so we should definitely create a cut down version and optimise it for the search engines.

10-01-2005, 09:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bluemerle Uber Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dorset. Posts: 3,252	This was an e-mail I received and tend to agree with everything said:- "The approach I have always taken is to stress to voters that the issue of EU membership transcends domestic politics. Whichever way a voter habitually votes in domestic elections, he can't be happy that the MP he sends to Westminster has no power. Therefore Vote UKIP, and after we have repatriated power to Westminster, we can all return to pre-1973 political 'business as usual'. In other words, I think it very helpful to explain to voters that we are fighting about a constitutional issue rather than a political issue, that is to say how politics in this country is to be run, rather than the actual politics itself. If we get too 'political' there is a danger we will get mired in detail and lose the big picture. For example, I was very struck how at the Labour Party Conference, the delegates voted for the renationalisation of the railways. Whatever any of us thinks about that issue, the way forward is to stress that at present it simply cannot be done because of EU competition policy. Get out of the EU, and then we can have a national debate on how exactly we want our railways run. The same with the Post Office sell-off. For ordinary left-leaning voters it is an absolute eye-opener to learn why we cannot control the future of our railways and postal services. While it is posssible that UKIP will replace the Conservative Party, as Labour replaced the Liberals a hundred years ago, I think it more probable that UKIP will force the Tories to adopt our policy in 2009/2010. Once the Conservatives win that election and take us out of the EU, I see UKIP disbanding honourably, its agenda achieved".