Martin Cole Loses The Plot Completely

mkpdavies · 06-01-2005, 12:22 PM

Taken from his blog, you know where it is.

Quote:

Visitors to UKIP Forum an open discussion debate seemingly connected with the Tory Tendency in the party, will note attacks on Robert Kilroy-Silk based on his socialist past. Is the UKIP leadership split really just another re-incarnation of the old two party political class divide within Britain? Are we really going to ignore what both parties have wrought upon our freedoms, sovereignty and democracy and throw away a golden chance to unite eurosceptics behind an effective and potentially winning leader, Robert Kilroy-Silk with a decent, untainted candidate in every constituency?

Bang goes the last remaining dot of credibility Cole had with me. A forum run by an ex-liberal democrat and moderated by people with no previous politcal allegiance, is accused of having Tory connections. The fact that everyone has been allowed to post from either side, has slipped his mind.

I won't be paying any more visits to that site, as all information is now deemed untrustworthy in my view.

cynic · 06-01-2005, 05:22 PM

johnwest · 07-01-2005, 01:59 PM

I have not read his site for ages. I used to read it but got so fed up with his moronic attacks I gave up. It's sour grapes because he was removed as a potential MEP. Pathetic really. You would think he would have got over it by now and done something more useful with his life.
I have been informed he uses this site. I wonder which name he uses? Any offers?

cynic · 07-01-2005, 04:50 PM

See 'Cole Bunker Unplugged'

B.A.Ware · 09-01-2005, 02:21 PM

Who is Martin Cole, is he a member, does he hold a position in ukip, what area does he reside in. :?: :?: :?:

mkpdavies · 09-01-2005, 02:43 PM

He is an ex-member who was not a happy bunny at being ignored for a position as MEP candidate. Ever since he has a vendetta against the leadership and while he may well have had some sort of case, he has let the issue cloud his judgement of what is important. The blog has now become a joke, with the most outrageous claims and biased commentary ever to be seen on the internet.

The argument that he was doing it for the parties own good has now been destroyed, as it has become more and more obvious that he would like to see nothing more, than for UKIP to fail. He has let his hatred of the leadership consume him and his wild attacks and assumptions (including on this forum), have now clearly shown what his motives are.

I'm not going to argue against people thinking there is a need for a change of leadership, but if you are using Coles information as a basis, then be aware of his motivations.

I used to go and read it, because it had the leaked information posted from the NEC mole. Now that mole has gone, the site has become a boring continuous attack on UKIP and any members that don't agree with him.

Personaly I think he has done more damage to Robert Kilroy-Silks chances than anyone, as it is like watching the drunk nutter shouting abuse in the street.

Just my recently formed personal opinion! The fact that people like Richard Corbett (Liebour MEP, and Europhile gravy train driver), regularly use Cole as a source, should be noted in the damage he is causing UKIP.

If he believes the leadership are a tumour in the party of UKIP, then his advice to cut the whole head off and stab it in the heart isn't the medicine I would personally accept from him.

B.A.Ware · 09-01-2005, 03:16 PM

I agree he does sound like a very bitter man with an axe to grind but the accusations he places on the site could easily be disproved yet they are not. There are one or two that I know to be true i.e. the new leaflet saying we could give all pensioners £30 a week “the maths don’t add up”. Gerard Battens letter to MEP’s “I have seen it” so I will still monitor it and apply common sense to the information. :roll: :roll: :roll:

mkpdavies · 09-01-2005, 03:23 PM

We had a very good discussion here about pensions, go check it out

http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/viewtopic...ighlight=%A325

We have probably the most informed person on pensions in the party in Biscuitman. Read his website and have a chat with him.

Dave · 10-01-2005, 08:51 AM

B.A and MKPD please read below, I don't know where your info comes from and your analysis MKPD is pretty much off target, below is the truth, I know because I was there, MC has every right to be bitter and want a better party for members, we have seen very recently people from the upper echelons trying to interfere with internal party democracy at branch level, why is it wrong to publicise it, why should the membership be left in the dark, if we are to advocate DEMOCRACY then surely we should practice it.

Martin cole, was indeed the number one on the list for MEP in the North East by a democratic vote, he and the regional committee discovered one of the other hopefuls had been involved in financial irregularities and a connection with the BNP.

The wrongdoer in question had signed up BNP member(s) so as to get there votes to put him as lead on the MEP list, The North East is still paying for the hiring of Sedgefield Racecoarse even though Mike Nattress has said that this money was paid to the chairman of the Darlington & Sedgefield branch in advance (where's the money gone??).

This particular person is well known to be a friend of Nigel Farage, whom had made it very clear that he (NF) would like to see this particular person as lead candidate.

When the party treasurer's report agreed with M Cole and the Regional committee, it was obvious that it was M Cole was to be attacked and the regional committee disbanded, Martin resigned as a matter of principal, the particular person went on to be lead candidate in Scotland, though no vote was allowed in Scotland for this.

Simarlily in Yorkshire, the buffoon who now represents that part of Briton came nowhere in regional votes but is a well known friend of Nigel Farage,
in the same way as the North East when his friend was not top of the list and the committee would not change its mind, more personal attacks and another disbandment.

until you have been subject to the mishandling of leadership as has been seen to be done in the North East and Yorkshire regions, it is easy to say that we are bitter whingers, I hope that no one has to go through what we went through, but it has to be told, it wasn't just Martin Cole and the Committees that were done wrong, it was the membership who went to the meetings and voted for who THEY wanted as there candidates, so don't be to harsh on those that believe the membership should know who leads them.

As for being against the leadership I obviously have good reason to be, but looking at the present and not the past I would still be against them, there are beneath the NEC a number of sub Committees, the most important being with a GE not to far off is the POLICY committee, chair of this is none other than Roger Knapman, but where are the policies, where is UKIPs vision of Great Briton after withdrawal, where is the information of this to pass onto the electorate. I have been banging on for years to get some answers, yet none have I received, in my opinion it is because the leadership do not have a vision and have not for several years, I can trace back to getting our first MEPs, then the vision was lost.

A change of leadership is required for the reason above alone (it doesn't have to be RKS), but it needs to be someone who can envigorate the members and the electorate, and it needs to be sooner rather than later.

Regards
Dave

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 09:14 AM

Where am I off the mark then? I stated clearly that Cole may have had a case, but that he had let the issue consume him.

Again I make it clear that I am not going to argue against people who want a leadership contest, but again I make it clear that killing UKIP may well sort the problem out, but I doen't think it is a great fix.

Two wrongs do not make a right and the way Cole is going about things is wrong, in my opinion!

06-01-2005, 05:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Yes

07-01-2005, 04:50 PM	#4 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Look in the Bunker See 'Cole Bunker Unplugged'

09-01-2005, 02:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	He is an ex-member who was not a happy bunny at being ignored for a position as MEP candidate. Ever since he has a vendetta against the leadership and while he may well have had some sort of case, he has let the issue cloud his judgement of what is important. The blog has now become a joke, with the most outrageous claims and biased commentary ever to be seen on the internet. The argument that he was doing it for the parties own good has now been destroyed, as it has become more and more obvious that he would like to see nothing more, than for UKIP to fail. He has let his hatred of the leadership consume him and his wild attacks and assumptions (including on this forum), have now clearly shown what his motives are. I'm not going to argue against people thinking there is a need for a change of leadership, but if you are using Coles information as a basis, then be aware of his motivations. I used to go and read it, because it had the leaked information posted from the NEC mole. Now that mole has gone, the site has become a boring continuous attack on UKIP and any members that don't agree with him. Personaly I think he has done more damage to Robert Kilroy-Silks chances than anyone, as it is like watching the drunk nutter shouting abuse in the street. Just my recently formed personal opinion! The fact that people like Richard Corbett (Liebour MEP, and Europhile gravy train driver), regularly use Cole as a source, should be noted in the damage he is causing UKIP. If he believes the leadership are a tumour in the party of UKIP, then his advice to cut the whole head off and stab it in the heart isn't the medicine I would personally accept from him. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

09-01-2005, 03:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	We had a very good discussion here about pensions, go check it out http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/viewtopic...ighlight=%A325 We have probably the most informed person on pensions in the party in Biscuitman. Read his website and have a chat with him. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

10-01-2005, 09:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,604	Where am I off the mark then? I stated clearly that Cole may have had a case, but that he had let the issue consume him. Again I make it clear that I am not going to argue against people who want a leadership contest, but again I make it clear that killing UKIP may well sort the problem out, but I doen't think it is a great fix. Two wrongs do not make a right and the way Cole is going about things is wrong, in my opinion! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

07-01-2005, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
johnwest Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Suffolk Posts: 827 Party: UKIP	I have not read his site for ages. I used to read it but got so fed up with his moronic attacks I gave up. It's sour grapes because he was removed as a potential MEP. Pathetic really. You would think he would have got over it by now and done something more useful with his life. I have been informed he uses this site. I wonder which name he uses? Any offers?

09-01-2005, 02:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,328 Party: UKIP	Who is Martin Cole, is he a member, does he hold a position in ukip, what area does he reside in. :?: :?: :?:

09-01-2005, 03:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,328 Party: UKIP	I agree he does sound like a very bitter man with an axe to grind but the accusations he places on the site could easily be disproved yet they are not. There are one or two that I know to be true i.e. the new leaflet saying we could give all pensioners £30 a week “the maths don’t add up”. Gerard Battens letter to MEP’s “I have seen it” so I will still monitor it and apply common sense to the information. :roll: :roll: :roll:

10-01-2005, 08:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	B.A and MKPD please read below, I don't know where your info comes from and your analysis MKPD is pretty much off target, below is the truth, I know because I was there, MC has every right to be bitter and want a better party for members, we have seen very recently people from the upper echelons trying to interfere with internal party democracy at branch level, why is it wrong to publicise it, why should the membership be left in the dark, if we are to advocate DEMOCRACY then surely we should practice it. Martin cole, was indeed the number one on the list for MEP in the North East by a democratic vote, he and the regional committee discovered one of the other hopefuls had been involved in financial irregularities and a connection with the BNP. The wrongdoer in question had signed up BNP member(s) so as to get there votes to put him as lead on the MEP list, The North East is still paying for the hiring of Sedgefield Racecoarse even though Mike Nattress has said that this money was paid to the chairman of the Darlington & Sedgefield branch in advance (where's the money gone??). This particular person is well known to be a friend of Nigel Farage, whom had made it very clear that he (NF) would like to see this particular person as lead candidate. When the party treasurer's report agreed with M Cole and the Regional committee, it was obvious that it was M Cole was to be attacked and the regional committee disbanded, Martin resigned as a matter of principal, the particular person went on to be lead candidate in Scotland, though no vote was allowed in Scotland for this. Simarlily in Yorkshire, the buffoon who now represents that part of Briton came nowhere in regional votes but is a well known friend of Nigel Farage, in the same way as the North East when his friend was not top of the list and the committee would not change its mind, more personal attacks and another disbandment. until you have been subject to the mishandling of leadership as has been seen to be done in the North East and Yorkshire regions, it is easy to say that we are bitter whingers, I hope that no one has to go through what we went through, but it has to be told, it wasn't just Martin Cole and the Committees that were done wrong, it was the membership who went to the meetings and voted for who THEY wanted as there candidates, so don't be to harsh on those that believe the membership should know who leads them. As for being against the leadership I obviously have good reason to be, but looking at the present and not the past I would still be against them, there are beneath the NEC a number of sub Committees, the most important being with a GE not to far off is the POLICY committee, chair of this is none other than Roger Knapman, but where are the policies, where is UKIPs vision of Great Briton after withdrawal, where is the information of this to pass onto the electorate. I have been banging on for years to get some answers, yet none have I received, in my opinion it is because the leadership do not have a vision and have not for several years, I can trace back to getting our first MEPs, then the vision was lost. A change of leadership is required for the reason above alone (it doesn't have to be RKS), but it needs to be someone who can envigorate the members and the electorate, and it needs to be sooner rather than later. Regards Dave

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