Martin Cole Loses The Plot Completely

Dave · 10-01-2005, 12:02 PM

"He is an ex-member who was not a happy bunny at being ignored for a position as MEP candidate".

He was voted for and was first on list.

"The argument that he was doing it for the parties own good has now been destroyed, as it has become more and more obvious that he would like to see nothing more, than for UKIP to fail. He has let his hatred of the leadership consume him and his wild attacks and assumptions (including on this forum), have now clearly shown what his motives are".

Can you substantiate these claims.

"I'm not going to argue against people thinking there is a need for a change of leadership, but if you are using Coles information as a basis, then be aware of his motivations".

His motivation is obvious he is putting INTO phpbb_the public domain the skullduggery of what has and will continue to go on unless it is checked.

"I used to go and read it, because it had the leaked information posted from the NEC mole".

Why? your postings would suggest that you would not believe what this mole would have said anyway, though if we are to use the term mole(a bit derogetory, a term), we mustn't forget both Petrina Holdsworth and Nigel Farage leaking NEC information to Greg Lance Watkins, yet no mole hunt for those two, no hoax email to catch them out, still no need for M Cole or A N Other to let the members know what really goes on.

I'm sure at the end of this we will have to agree to disagree, it'll end up as one of those circles.

Dave

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 02:13 PM

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He was voted for and was first on list.

Didn't say he wasn't, the leadership still ignored him though. Whether they had good reason to or not, I will never know. As I said, he may well have a case to feel upset.

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Can you substantiate these claims.

Well I could go to his site and cut and paste a load of it here, but I have banned myself from visiting it. So I will give you a few recent examples.

1) He attacks this forum, saying it has Tory links. Utter rubbish, this forum is here for the good of UKIP, attacking it is attacking a positive for UKIP.
2) His constant threats to start a new party up, Trust or whatever it is this week. Hardly has the interests of UKIP there does he.
3) Every opportunity to report bad news he does and to confound it blows this news up out of all proportion. You would think we are all Nazi sympathisers the way he goes on sometimes.

I could go on, but I am only justifying my reasons for having utter contempt for his blog now, and I really don't need to do that!

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His motivation is obvious he is putting INTO phpbb_the public domain the skullduggery of what has and will continue to go on unless it is checked.

But he uses the same skullduggery himself. Some of the things I see being done by Cole and others like him sicken me. If you are going to acuse someone of something, you had better be lilly white on the issue yourself. As Biscuitman said, replacing one cabal with another is no solution.

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Why? your postings would suggest that you would not believe what this mole

No, I don't believe any of the comment, or he said she said emails on the site from anonymous sources. Sometimes it was clear that the information was real and I found that interesting. That doesn't mean I agreed with it being leaked though. For example, leaking an unfinished document designed to help us in a general election, the manifesto. You can argue all day that he was only pointing out the bad points of it, but I would be surprised if any draught document was not bad in a number of places. Giving our opponents this kind of material can do nothing but harm to our cause.

I don't know anything about this Lance-Watkins guy, other than the image of Satan that the anti-leadership people have painted. I don't see what relevance he has to anything. The problem for me now, is there may well be things that are true, but I can't believe them due to the sources they come from.

You are spot on about agreeing to disagree. There is no value in this argument any more.

Dave · 10-01-2005, 02:27 PM

Still friends I hope.

Dave

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 02:36 PM

Too right. I fully understand why people feel the way they do. I realise that there are good intentions from both sides. End of the day all that matters to me is getting the UK out of the EU and putting the trust back INTO phpbb_its people.

We all have different ideas on how this can be acheived, we wouldn't be human if we did agree on everything. I would rather we were like this than fully chiped drones of the main parties!

Tom Wilde · 10-01-2005, 09:45 PM

I'm mostly with mkpd on this one.

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The fact that people like Richard Corbett (Liebour MEP, and Europhile gravy train driver), regularly use Cole as a source, should be noted in the damage he is causing UKIP.

Liebour isn't the only party to have made grateful use of Cole's blog. I'm pretty sure that Cole's extreme gullibility when presented with anything appearing to show UKIP in a bad light was exploited by the Bisexual Nazi Party during the run-up to the Euro-elections last year. The BNP made a determined effort in early '04 to stir up trouble within UKIP. They wanted to clear us out of the way so that they could present themselves as a serious option for eurosceptic voters (snigger). Cole's blog was one of their favoured conduits for spreading the lies that they wanted spread. I don't imagine for one moment that Cole would have knowingly lifted a finger to help the Nazis - it is just that they were feeding him stuff that tallied with what he already believed about UKIP. I am prepared to dig out references if anyone is seriously interested.

mkpdavies · 10-01-2005, 09:54 PM

Tom,

Please don't, we believe you!!! 8)

algypug · 11-01-2005, 03:51 PM

It seems that on this thread, you are having a pop at Martin Cole regarding the content of his blog spot. I am therefore at a loss now, as to what i must believe. This article appeared on the blog this morning, and i would be grateful MKP, if you could advise whether it is authentic, or just a piece of b/s ?

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Suspensions in the South West

Chairman of Poole UKIP, Mrs Pauline Twist, a barrister, received the following communication yesterday from Malcolm Wood, UKIP's Regional Organiser.
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Dear Mrs Twist,
...The current status of the Poole Branch is described below in an e-mail from the Party Chairman, which says:

Dear Malcolm,
It will be necessary for me to...suspend the committee forthwith and appoint you as my representative. The suspension will be operative until the new officers and a new committee are elected or for 4 weeks whichever is the shorter...
Petrina Holdsworth
UKIP Chairman

The UK Independence Party exists purely to restore self-government to this country and this must override any personal considerations or ambitions.

Malcolm Wood
Campaign Director South West Counties

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There is a meeting of the UKIP Poole Branch today

mkpdavies · 11-01-2005, 04:39 PM

Please don't think I am some authority on UKIP. I am just a normal member who has no idea what is true and what isnt. I personaly choose not to use Coles site anymore, as I do not trust it. That doesn't mean all that is posted there is not true. I have no idea about this particular situation, but I would need more information before believing it!

Anthony Butcher · 11-01-2005, 04:40 PM

According to Mark Croucher, our press secretary, there was a vote of no-confidence in the branch chairman, which resulted in the temporary suspension of the committee until a new one can be voted in.

B.A.Ware · 11-01-2005, 05:33 PM

This is the problem with Mark Croucher why does he not explain why there was a vote of no confidence. This will only leave the door open for more speculation and rumours. Surely it is the press secretary’s job to get the truth out there before rumours start happening

10-01-2005, 02:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,843 Party: Libertarian Party	Too right. I fully understand why people feel the way they do. I realise that there are good intentions from both sides. End of the day all that matters to me is getting the UK out of the EU and putting the trust back INTO phpbb_its people. We all have different ideas on how this can be acheived, we wouldn't be human if we did agree on everything. I would rather we were like this than fully chiped drones of the main parties! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

10-01-2005, 09:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,843 Party: Libertarian Party	Tom, Please don't, we believe you!!! 8) __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

11-01-2005, 04:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,843 Party: Libertarian Party	Please don't think I am some authority on UKIP. I am just a normal member who has no idea what is true and what isnt. I personaly choose not to use Coles site anymore, as I do not trust it. That doesn't mean all that is posted there is not true. I have no idea about this particular situation, but I would need more information before believing it! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

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10-01-2005, 12:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	"He is an ex-member who was not a happy bunny at being ignored for a position as MEP candidate". He was voted for and was first on list. "The argument that he was doing it for the parties own good has now been destroyed, as it has become more and more obvious that he would like to see nothing more, than for UKIP to fail. He has let his hatred of the leadership consume him and his wild attacks and assumptions (including on this forum), have now clearly shown what his motives are". Can you substantiate these claims. "I'm not going to argue against people thinking there is a need for a change of leadership, but if you are using Coles information as a basis, then be aware of his motivations". His motivation is obvious he is putting INTO phpbb_the public domain the skullduggery of what has and will continue to go on unless it is checked. "I used to go and read it, because it had the leaked information posted from the NEC mole". Why? your postings would suggest that you would not believe what this mole would have said anyway, though if we are to use the term mole(a bit derogetory, a term), we mustn't forget both Petrina Holdsworth and Nigel Farage leaking NEC information to Greg Lance Watkins, yet no mole hunt for those two, no hoax email to catch them out, still no need for M Cole or A N Other to let the members know what really goes on. I'm sure at the end of this we will have to agree to disagree, it'll end up as one of those circles. Dave

10-01-2005, 02:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dave Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 229	Still friends I hope. Dave

11-01-2005, 04:40 PM	#19 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,152 Party: None	According to Mark Croucher, our press secretary, there was a vote of no-confidence in the branch chairman, which resulted in the temporary suspension of the committee until a new one can be voted in.

11-01-2005, 05:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,500 Party: UKIP	This is the problem with Mark Croucher why does he not explain why there was a vote of no confidence. This will only leave the door open for more speculation and rumours. Surely it is the press secretary’s job to get the truth out there before rumours start happening