Massive media bias problem

mkpdavies · 23-12-2004, 07:23 PM

Go and read this pile of drivel

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/b2010314-54...00e2511c8.html

The use of the word fringe is out of order when used once. The fact they use the word at every chance, shows and almost rabid hatred of UKIP.

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The threat to the Tories from the UKIP has receded since the elections, with the fringe party riven by internal feuding and the defection of Paul Sykes, the Yorkshire tycoon who had been its principal donor.

What evidence are they basing that on? All the latest elections have seen UKIP doing well, and while the loss of Sykes cash is a blow, there is still time for UKIP to get some more big backers on board. Even if we got noe, there is a real strong support base now that will punch above it's weight.

I don't think UKIP have many friends in the media at all, they are all too tied up with the main parties. How do we address this problem and get some support where we need it?

Intbel · 24-12-2004, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I don't think UKIP have many friends in the media at all, they are all too tied up with the main parties. How do we address this problem and get some support where we need it?

Depends where you think we need the support.

The only support we really need is voter support.
So - we need to reach the voters.

How? By direct contact, by speaking to folks, by petitioning and by recruiting new members.

Our office closed at 9.00pm today to re-open 10.00am Tuesday 4th January. I expect to be in there Monday and Tuesday, calling all our branch members for a full day's footwork on the Wednesday. Same again Thursday and Friday to organise something for the Saturday. All to be reported in our monthly newsletter which I hope to complete on Sunday and Monday.

That is what holidays are for - to get done what you want done for which there is not enough time during a normal working week.

Also, it is a fun thing to do - and holidays are for having fun.

Half-a dozen folks can speak to a lotta folks in one day.

Petitioning - type out a petition sheet, either print or photocopy loadsa copies and get as many signatures as possible. Later, those petitions (leave 'em in your favourite friendly retailers, hairdresers etc,) can be collected and each person contacted (make sure there is a column for Tel. No.) and from those can be got new membership subscriptions and donations. If you ain't able to do this thing - send your petitions to the Ashford Call centre and we'll ring them for you. The fact they have shown an interest means that at the minimum they will want an information pack - yep, we'll send those out as well. Couple of weeks after they receive that we ring them again - that's when the subscriptions, donations and new members come in. Sometimes they come in on the first call. Most important - some place on the petition write the words "I accept that a UKIP member may contact me"

In this way, each branch can increase its membership, its funds and the number of votes for its Parliamentary Candidate.

Cost? Neglible in terms of cash, up to you in terms of effort.

At the end of the day, 'tis votes which count therefore it is the folks who will be voting who need to be targetted. Everyone can do something.

The biggest wall was built one brick at a time ... brick by brick walls can also fall. We CAN do this thing.

"Can't" is not an option - it is a flimsy excuse.

Jarralass · 30-12-2004, 07:46 PM

I was born and bred and still live in the North-East where Labour Party propaganda is force fed almost with ones mothers milk. Until I was almost forty I voted Labour because I had been too busy or disinterested in politics up until then .Fot the next 20 years I voted Conservative cos I realised I was not a natural Labour supporter,and at the last election I didn't vote at all because there was nobody out there representing my views! I did telephone UKIP Head Office in London and was promised a manifesto etc. but nothing was forthcoming.
If there is an active branch of UKIP in the N.E I have never heard much about it ,and as most of my friends and even acquaintences express much the same fears as I do regarding continued mambership of the E.U. and uncontrolled immigrationI feel there is a strong 'market' for the UKIP up here if only it could be tapped into.
Where are you?

C_steam · 30-12-2004, 08:02 PM

Jarralass - similar experience. A few probs at HQ currently, soon to be sorted we hope. In a nutshell, IMHO, leadership not taking advantage.

Anyway - try http://www.ukip.org/index.phpmenu=co...tukipnortheast
Although I suspect some one else on the forum will be better placed to advise you as to who heads up your local local branch.

eu-serf · 02-01-2005, 08:22 AM

The FT is very pro-EU which is probably the reason they are very down on UKIP. They have also been very strong supporters of TB's government.

FT is rapidly losing readership, probably mainly due to these two reasons. Newspapers lose readers if they lose credibility, but it is a slow process. To undermine the credibility of Pro-EU press, the people have to get the anti-EU message from somewhere, whether face to face, the internet or other alternative media.

When the many who mistrust or dislike EU institutions see that there are many more like them, every piece of biased reporting has a negative impact on those who do it. It undermines their credibility.

Therefore, get out the message.

Intbel · 02-01-2005, 02:52 PM

There is a programme this comimg Thursday at 8.00pm on Radio 4 which may be of interest - if y'all can bear to switch off the idiot's lantern for an hour.

cynic · 06-01-2005, 05:20 PM

Don't panic people. The media isn't in Kansas anymore. We are under the Radar which is a good place to be. Blogs, Leaflets, Word of Mouth, Internet, Letters, Meetings, Advertising, we have a lot of avenues open to us.
The Media just doesn't have the same powers of old. The Sun is not shining as bright, The Times has shrunk, The Telegraph has been superceded by fax, The Guardian is off-Guard and The Mirror has cracked.
:shock:

Intbel · 06-01-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cynic

The Sun is not shining as bright, The Times has shrunk, The Telegraph has been superceded by fax, The Guardian is off-Guard and The Mirror has cracked.
:shock:

And the Observer is blind.
Punch is drunk.
The Express is at a standstill.
Etcetera ..

All, however, is not yet lost - tank de lard for Private Eye Magazine!

gimlet · 08-01-2005, 04:30 AM

This from, Vote No, is about the BBC being bias - worth a read/

http://www.vote-no.com/presscentre/campaigns/BBC.pdf

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 08-01-2005, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimlet

This from, Vote No, is about the BBC being bias - worth a read/

http://www.vote-no.com/presscentre/campaigns/BBC.pdf

Where I live Labour used to be considered a joke, stupid lefties with no real ideas. After a short while we changed that, I took over as press officer, built up relationships and the local Labour party flourished. On a regular basis the press as a matter of course would telephone to get our opinion on the issues of the day. Although I'm no longer a Labour member or their press officer in the last three weeks I have done one TV interview, one radio interview and there have been three local newspaper reports with quotes from me. What is the secret?
To start with you need to be different, if and when you speak to the press, don't say what the others are sure to say. For example, If you were asked your opinion about a local hospital being closed what would you say. You can be sure others will say how shocked they are, blah blah.. If you say the same you wont get your comments reported. You need to say something like, We at UKIP demand a public enquiry, we demand to know what has gone wrong, local people deserve local service we at UKIP will not rest untill the public know the full facts and the hospital is re-opened.
Another example, if at the pow wow in Exeter next week nothing exciting is announced the press will ignore the whole show! If on the other hand UKIP was to announce a desire for a referendum to bring back hanging the press would be full of it. And no I'm not suggesting bringing back hanging this was just an example.
Also, the majority of people in this country see UKIP as having only one policy and that is to get out of europe. Local policies need to be written up and publicied, this strong mis-conception needs stamping on. I could go on with more but as your now bored I'll stop.

30-12-2004, 07:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jarralass Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Jarrow.Tyne and Wear Posts: 1	New ukip Members I was born and bred and still live in the North-East where Labour Party propaganda is force fed almost with ones mothers milk. Until I was almost forty I voted Labour because I had been too busy or disinterested in politics up until then .Fot the next 20 years I voted Conservative cos I realised I was not a natural Labour supporter,and at the last election I didn't vote at all because there was nobody out there representing my views! I did telephone UKIP Head Office in London and was promised a manifesto etc. but nothing was forthcoming. If there is an active branch of UKIP in the N.E I have never heard much about it ,and as most of my friends and even acquaintences express much the same fears as I do regarding continued mambership of the E.U. and uncontrolled immigrationI feel there is a strong 'market' for the UKIP up here if only it could be tapped into. Where are you?

02-01-2005, 08:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
eu-serf Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 18	FT Standing on EU The FT is very pro-EU which is probably the reason they are very down on UKIP. They have also been very strong supporters of TB's government. FT is rapidly losing readership, probably mainly due to these two reasons. Newspapers lose readers if they lose credibility, but it is a slow process. To undermine the credibility of Pro-EU press, the people have to get the anti-EU message from somewhere, whether face to face, the internet or other alternative media. When the many who mistrust or dislike EU institutions see that there are many more like them, every piece of biased reporting has a negative impact on those who do it. It undermines their credibility. Therefore, get out the message. __________________ The Road to Euro Serfdom.

02-01-2005, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	Re: FT Standing on EU There is a programme this comimg Thursday at 8.00pm on Radio 4 which may be of interest - if y'all can bear to switch off the idiot's lantern for an hour.

06-01-2005, 05:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
cynic Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 127	Underneath The Radar Don't panic people. The media isn't in Kansas anymore. We are under the Radar which is a good place to be. Blogs, Leaflets, Word of Mouth, Internet, Letters, Meetings, Advertising, we have a lot of avenues open to us. The Media just doesn't have the same powers of old. The Sun is not shining as bright, The Times has shrunk, The Telegraph has been superceded by fax, The Guardian is off-Guard and The Mirror has cracked. :shock:

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30-12-2004, 08:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Anwhere far away from the cabalistas Posts: 7,460	Jarralass - similar experience. A few probs at HQ currently, soon to be sorted we hope. In a nutshell, IMHO, leadership not taking advantage. Anyway - try http://www.ukip.org/index.phpmenu=co...tukipnortheast Although I suspect some one else on the forum will be better placed to advise you as to who heads up your local local branch.

08-01-2005, 04:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
gimlet Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Shropshire Posts: 802	This from, Vote No, is about the BBC being bias - worth a read/ http://www.vote-no.com/presscentre/campaigns/BBC.pdf