Just suppose

MrMoor · 18-12-2004, 09:43 PM

let's say a few hundred people got together, set up a committee and ten made a declaration of government.

Pointing out that since the argument will be that they have no mandate to represent and govern neither does the Westminster parliament given the amount of people who voted in the last election and the proportion who voted for someone else or didn't vote at all.

Also the sovereignty of the UK has now been compromised by increasingly allowing a foreign organisation to make decisions on behalf of people who neither reside here nor contribute to the UK.

The main weapon would be the concern that the government is now out of control and is endangering the fabric of society, international relations and the welfare of the British people.

I would say that even if not successful it would be a huge message to the government that there is no monopoly on representation, influence and that there are people who are willing to attempt the wrench the steering wheel off the man who is driving us over Beachy Head.

Since it will be argued that this sort of thing is not a very British thing to do, we are increasingy having not very British things foisted upon us including third world voting practises which are worryingly recognised. We should adapt and use the situation to our own advantage whenever we can.

Intbel · 23-12-2004, 01:52 AM

The idea makes sense.
A hundred people would be insufficient - too easily rounded up and then locked up.

Suppose the entire UKIP membership were involved?

It could be kept secret until the last moment, á lá the "Flash Mob".

It is worth serious consideration.

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 29-12-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

The idea makes sense.
A hundred people would be insufficient - too easily rounded up and then locked up.

Suppose the entire UKIP membership were involved?

It could be kept secret until the last moment, á lá the "Flash Mob".

It is worth serious consideration.

Is there more than a hundred members then, I thought it was just me and RKS :roll:

Intbel · 29-12-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bobby's boy

Is there more than a hundred members then, I thought it was just me and RKS :roll:

In your clique, you are probably right - outside of that there are thousands.

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 29-12-2004, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Intbel

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobby's boy

Is there more than a hundred members then, I thought it was just me and RKS :roll:

In your clique, you are probably right - outside of that there are thousands.

Has everyone lost their sense of humour today? Or is it a let's pick on bobby's boy day?

Do let me know

mkpdavies · 29-12-2004, 10:46 AM

UKIP has got a diverse membership. There are always going to be disagrements over certain issues. There are core values that we should never argue over, such as wanting Britain to run itself, freedom for it's people and fairness to all.

The fine details can and should be debated and then the party will vote on such things when the time comes. It's another good reason for pushing powers back to a local level where possible and referendums to be used more.

Let's try not to get personal, or assume that ones own ideas are the only solution. We can agree to disagree on certain issues, as long as we stick to our core principles.

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 29-12-2004, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

UKIP has got a diverse membership. There are always going to be disagrements over certain issues. There are core values that we should never argue over, such as wanting Britain to run itself, freedom for it's people and fairness to all.

The fine details can and should be debated and then the party will vote on such things when the time comes. It's another good reason for pushing powers back to a local level where possible and referendums to be used more.

Let's try not to get personal, or assume that ones own ideas are the only solution. We can agree to disagree on certain issues, as long as we stick to our core principles.

I'm all in favour of pushing powers back to local levels, but there doesn't seem much desire for that on these pages. What is the party's policies when it comes to local level?

mkpdavies · 29-12-2004, 11:06 AM

http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=m...ocalgovernance

Go check it out!

There will be changes in the new manifesto, but nothing too drastic on this front!

Bobby-Veritas's Boy · 29-12-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=m...ocalgovernance

Go check it out!

There will be changes in the new manifesto, but nothing too drastic on this front!

Yes I've read this and it's all very good, but what does the party intend to do when it comes to the nitty gritty? I'm talking specific local policy, I'm a parish councillor and a former mayor of the town where I live, but I need to know what the party wants to promote generally, but locally if you see what I mean!

Biscuitman · 29-12-2004, 12:35 PM

"Has everyone lost their sense of humour today? Or is it a let's pick on bobby's boy day? "

Nope, looked in my diary and its not Pick On Bobbys Boy Day until March 3rd.

18-12-2004, 09:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
MrMoor Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 259	Just suppose let's say a few hundred people got together, set up a committee and ten made a declaration of government. Pointing out that since the argument will be that they have no mandate to represent and govern neither does the Westminster parliament given the amount of people who voted in the last election and the proportion who voted for someone else or didn't vote at all. Also the sovereignty of the UK has now been compromised by increasingly allowing a foreign organisation to make decisions on behalf of people who neither reside here nor contribute to the UK. The main weapon would be the concern that the government is now out of control and is endangering the fabric of society, international relations and the welfare of the British people. I would say that even if not successful it would be a huge message to the government that there is no monopoly on representation, influence and that there are people who are willing to attempt the wrench the steering wheel off the man who is driving us over Beachy Head. Since it will be argued that this sort of thing is not a very British thing to do, we are increasingy having not very British things foisted upon us including third world voting practises which are worryingly recognised. We should adapt and use the situation to our own advantage whenever we can.

23-12-2004, 01:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	The idea makes sense. A hundred people would be insufficient - too easily rounded up and then locked up. Suppose the entire UKIP membership were involved? It could be kept secret until the last moment, á lá the "Flash Mob". It is worth serious consideration. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

29-12-2004, 10:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,843 Party: Libertarian Party	UKIP has got a diverse membership. There are always going to be disagrements over certain issues. There are core values that we should never argue over, such as wanting Britain to run itself, freedom for it's people and fairness to all. The fine details can and should be debated and then the party will vote on such things when the time comes. It's another good reason for pushing powers back to a local level where possible and referendums to be used more. Let's try not to get personal, or assume that ones own ideas are the only solution. We can agree to disagree on certain issues, as long as we stick to our core principles. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-12-2004, 11:06 AM	#8 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 30,843 Party: Libertarian Party	http://www.ukip.org/index.php?menu=m...ocalgovernance Go check it out! There will be changes in the new manifesto, but nothing too drastic on this front! __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Blue Labour, Lib Dems

29-12-2004, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,486	"Has everyone lost their sense of humour today? Or is it a let's pick on bobby's boy day? " Nope, looked in my diary and its not Pick On Bobbys Boy Day until March 3rd. __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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