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doc_cruel · 03-01-2005, 02:16 AM

wasn't it a MEP who said he proposed setting up an IRA style organisation?

You've got be careful what you wish for..... and even more careful what you say!

Intbel · 03-01-2005, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by doc_cruel

wasn't it a MEP who said he proposed setting up an IRA style organisation?

You've got be careful what you wish for..... and even more careful what you say!

I never wish for anything. Yes, I am careful with what I say and how I say it - I would not want to be misunderstood.

Jaizi · 17-01-2005, 10:10 PM

Hiya. I haven't joined - yet. Where's the message in the Press, please. The organization Liberty says our civil liberties are in acute danger. Roy Hattersley derides the appalling authoritarian Blunkett in the Guardian. An article appears in the Observer saying a third term of Bleagh is a threat to democracy. Charge or release but in no circumstances detain without charge has been law since Magna Carta, notes Liberty. On the Left, on the Right, in the middle people are seriously concerned about what's been done to this country and where please is UKIP, the only party that has evinced any care for English liberty, blowing a golden trumpet - free country - democracy - civil liberty - individual sovereignty. As Shadbolt says on his site, as I quite independently came up with on my site, when we've got a free country back we can return if we want to more usual electoral allegiances

Due to abstention and apathy. Bleagh is currently Overlord on around 45% of the votes cast but the votes of only 22% of those eligible to vote. He may get in again - thanks to maybe as many as 20% of the electorate. First-past-the-post has got us INTO phpbb_this mess. It seems to me that not only the government but the political classes of all parties are dangerously divorced from the reality of what people think and feel, the realities of the history and traditions of the country and there is a huge hole that UKIP could fill, saying you stand for the basics, for Common Law, for freedom of speech, for the repeal of measures worthy of Comrade Stalin and Herr Hitler, that you folks are great but uh, I am reminded of the old quotation about lions led by donkeys.

All the best
Yzz

Anthony Butcher · 17-01-2005, 10:21 PM

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The organization Liberty says our civil liberties are in acute danger

I am a member of Liberty, and they aren't wrong. I do feel that UKIP keeps far too quiet about this side of the party. We are vehemently against the erosion of civil liberties, and we should be out there fighting every inch of the way.

Intbel · 17-01-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaizi

Hiya. I haven't joined - yet.

But then, ma'am, you ain't come apart - yet

TomPhil · 21-01-2005, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMoor

let's say a few hundred people got together, set up a committee and ten made a declaration of government.

Pointing out that since the argument will be that they have no mandate to represent and govern neither does the Westminster parliament given the amount of people who voted in the last election and the proportion who voted for someone else or didn't vote at all.

Also the sovereignty of the UK has now been compromised by increasingly allowing a foreign organisation to make decisions on behalf of people who neither reside here nor contribute to the UK.

The main weapon would be the concern that the government is now out of control and is endangering the fabric of society, international relations and the welfare of the British people.

I would say that even if not successful it would be a huge message to the government that there is no monopoly on representation, influence and that there are people who are willing to attempt the wrench the steering wheel off the man who is driving us over Beachy Head.

Since it will be argued that this sort of thing is not a very British thing to do, we are increasingy having not very British things foisted upon us including third world voting practises which are worryingly recognised. We should adapt and use the situation to our own advantage whenever we can.

That's hardly democratic, is it? If you did that, you'd be a bad, no worse, than any other party in British history. Let the people decide. I have a great deal of faith in democracy. The people get what the people want.

Intbel · 21-01-2005, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TomPhil

Let the people decide. I have a great deal of faith in democracy. The people get what the people want.

That has to be the quote of the week.

"The people get what the people want" - I shall remember that, it will go INTO phpbb_my "Little Book of Unintentional Humour."

In the chapter "Wottalottabalona."

17-01-2005, 10:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jaizi Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Richmond, Surrey Posts: 5	From the outside looking in - or at any rate looking Hiya. I haven't joined - yet. Where's the message in the Press, please. The organization Liberty says our civil liberties are in acute danger. Roy Hattersley derides the appalling authoritarian Blunkett in the Guardian. An article appears in the Observer saying a third term of Bleagh is a threat to democracy. Charge or release but in no circumstances detain without charge has been law since Magna Carta, notes Liberty. On the Left, on the Right, in the middle people are seriously concerned about what's been done to this country and where please is UKIP, the only party that has evinced any care for English liberty, blowing a golden trumpet - free country - democracy - civil liberty - individual sovereignty. As Shadbolt says on his site, as I quite independently came up with on my site, when we've got a free country back we can return if we want to more usual electoral allegiances Due to abstention and apathy. Bleagh is currently Overlord on around 45% of the votes cast but the votes of only 22% of those eligible to vote. He may get in again - thanks to maybe as many as 20% of the electorate. First-past-the-post has got us INTO phpbb_this mess. It seems to me that not only the government but the political classes of all parties are dangerously divorced from the reality of what people think and feel, the realities of the history and traditions of the country and there is a huge hole that UKIP could fill, saying you stand for the basics, for Common Law, for freedom of speech, for the repeal of measures worthy of Comrade Stalin and Herr Hitler, that you folks are great but uh, I am reminded of the old quotation about lions led by donkeys. All the best Yzz

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03-01-2005, 02:16 AM	#21 (permalink)
doc_cruel Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 213	wasn't it a MEP who said he proposed setting up an IRA style organisation? You've got be careful what you wish for..... and even more careful what you say!