mkpdavies

Because the EU wasn't directly involved, doesn't make it a good idea though. Our government should have refused to implement this rubbish, or at the very least not tried to rush it through so quickly.

I'm still very suspicious that the totally independent body in Brussels is totally independent. That is a minor point compared to what these new rules mean to the British peoples way of life.

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C_steam

Mainly correct - see previous posts on the subject. Two points though:-

The part P regulations do not incorporate the colour code changes, part P 'only' brings domestic electrical installation work in England and Wales under the legal framework of the Building Regulations. It places a legal requirement for safety upon electrical installation work in dwellings.

The colour code changes stem from CENELEC HD 308 S2 and H2 384:584 and are ratified through BS 7671:2001 - the IEE regs 16th edition. (nothing to do with part P).

Definition of CENELEC - The European Committee for Electrotechnical Standardization. A body developing electrotechnical standards for the Single European Market / European Economic Area in order to reduce internal frontiers and trade barriers for electrotechnical products, systems and services.

Hence, the colour changes are as a direct result of being part of the EU.

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Intbel

From the UKIP website:

Some bright spark has had a very dim idea

In seven weeks' time, thanks to new rules rushed through by John Prescott to "harmonise" Britain with the rest of Europe, we face the prospect of a startling shortage of self-employed electricians.
29-11-2004

In seven weeks' time, thanks to new rules rushed through by John Prescott to "harmonise" Britain with the rest of Europe, we face the prospect of a startling shortage of self-employed electricians. After January 1, any of us wishing to carry out any but minor electrical works in our homes may find that, under the new "Part P" of the Building Regulations, we have fallen foul of one of the more bizarre legislative shambles of recent years.

The new regulations, introduced by Mr Prescott's Office of the Deputy Prime Minister only last summer, to conform with an edict from Cenelec, the Brussels-based "Committee for the Normalisation of Electrotechnology", impose draconian new rules on anyone needing to carry out electrical work in the home.

Apart from simple jobs such as the replacement of a cracked light socket, electrical work will be legal only if carried out in one of two ways. First, every electrician, however experienced, will have to be certified as a "competent person". This will require him or her to pay between £350 and £1,500 to be "monitored" for six months by employees of one of a handful of private companies appointed by the ODPM as "certifying bodies". During that time, the electrician will be disbarred from carrying out any but minor works, except while his work is being monitored, possibly by someone very much less experienced than himself. He will subsequently have to pay a similar annual fee to have his certificate renewed.

The only alternative, applying to householders themselves as much as to professional electricians, will be to submit plans of most electrical work in advance to the building control department of the local council. This will include work of any kind in a kitchen or bathroom. The council will then have to be paid to inspect the work.

It is estimated that 100,000 electricians, many of whom are still barely aware of this new scheme, will be caught up in its toils. Clive Brittain of Milton Keynes, who has worked as a self-employed electrician for more than 30 years, with every professional qualification, says: "I am all for safety and good practice, but this nonsense from the ODPM is farcical. How can we be expected to keep paying out for registration, assessments, annual membership and inspections, while being forced to lose so much working time? The whole thing is bonkers."

Clive Thornton, of Sale, Cheshire, adds: "In addition to all this hassle, I will also, for an as-yet-undisclosed fee, be required to register a copy of every job certificate I issue with an as-yet-unnamed, Government-approved private firm. All this seems like rather a lot of effort to put genuine one-man businesses out of business, while leaving the cowboys untouched (as usual)."

One particularly puzzling feature of Mr Prescott's scheme is the speed with which it has been rushed through. Calls to several council building departments suggest that they are in no way prepared for the deluge of extra work the new rules will involve. It will become a criminal offence for householders to carry out most electrical work without getting council approval. And, as from January 1 it will similarly become an offence, punishable by fines of up to £5,000, to sell a property without a certificate for any electrical work carried out after the new law comes INTO phpbb_force. Stand by for a nationwide howl of outrage at another shambles created by Mr Prescott.

That was what I used as the basis of my letter.

C_steam

A little bit more for you.....

http://www.cenelec.org/Cenelec/About...egic+Goals.htm

from 'strategic goals' sub-heading.

Sheila

Thank you C-steam. ops: I stand corrected (and happy to be so).

So if I have got this right (at last!) then if the colour changes are not part of Part P,
then nothing at all in Part P has anything to do with the EU or any other European organisation?


Intbel - the UKIP press release correctly did not mention EU directives, but your posting above did.

C_steam

honest answer - I don't know. I've not seen anything (apart from previously ref'd post) which linked part P to cenelec. I can't categorically state it's incorrect either.

For the record, my understanding of part P is that it arose out of pressure from electrical installers to have some system which gave them the same status as CORGI gave gas fitters, and to rid the electrical trade of rogue traders.

The whole issue of 'death prevention' is very secondary to issue! But they won't tell you that.

The IEE states:-
The Home office, on the other hand, stateshttp://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/Impact_2004.pdf - see page 8 for the graph of deaths in the home. bear in mind this is the IEE - there is not a more authorative source anywhere in the world.

These graphs show deaths from wiring to be less than 2 average in the period shown, and NONE in the last two years for which data is shown.

I'll leave you all to decide why these regs were brought in.

Intbel

Intbel

Intbel

Population control? :shock:

C_steam

Personally I view death from electric shock by DIY'ers evidence of Darwin in action.