Another figure

GTFC_Adam · 14-12-2004, 11:45 PM

We've heard several accounts of what Britain pays INTO phpbb_the EU every day. Sometimes it's £12 million, sometimes £40 million. This page (I don't know how long it's been there) states that it is indeed £30 million. :?

http://www.ukipscotland.org/

Anthony Butcher · 15-12-2004, 12:16 AM

The £30M figure is correct, although it is gross. It equates to £11 Billion per year. We pay £4.3 Billion net, each year.

GTFC_Adam · 15-12-2004, 12:21 AM

Jesus.

And to think there's pensioners on the verge of prison because they can't afford their council tax. :evil:

Anthony Butcher · 15-12-2004, 12:32 AM

You may be disturbed to learn that the EU wants to increase our net payments to £6.8 Billion, although everyone else will be paying more in as well. That is still in negotiations though. France and Germany are also opposing it, so there is some hope.

There is also talk of further reduction in our rebate, which could see that amount increase significantly again.

Intbel · 15-12-2004, 01:12 AM

I really do think we should be consulted about such matters.

The way things are going, by the time we have a referendum it will be too late.

We will be broke and dependent upon the EU for financial survival and withdrawal will not be a viable option.

Yes, we should be consulted.

Biscuitman · 15-12-2004, 01:54 PM

I don't know if anyone spotted the latest wheeze a couple of weeks ago.

As always the EU arewanting to scrap our rebate, Chris patten in favour by the way.

We as always said NO.

They've come up with the idea of increasing the subscription for everyone and then giving the rest the same rebate as we get... effectively ending the rebate!!

Would you want to be in a Christmas club with these people?

Mark Croucher · 15-12-2004, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Butcher

The £30M figure is correct, although it is gross. It equates to £11 Billion per year. We pay £4.3 Billion net, each year.

IMHO, the net figure is meaningless. If you doubt this, try applying the same logic to your income tax payments.

If you pay, say, 10k a year, you get essentially that back in services, and therefore in reality your net tax bill is zero.

I think most of us accept that the logic in that is faulty, so why do we accept the government talking about net contributions?

Intbel · 15-12-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

If you pay, say, 10k a year, you get essentially that back in services, and therefore in reality your net tax bill is zero.

I think most of us accept that the logic in that is faulty, so why do we accept the government talking about net contributions?

Er ... we don't.

Anthony Butcher · 15-12-2004, 09:05 PM

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IMHO, the net figure is meaningless. If you doubt this, try applying the same logic to your income tax payments.

The problem is that it gets very blurry talking in terms of gross numbers. We do get that money back, and much of it goes on services or subsidies that we would probably have to cover if the EU didn't. So then we are left quibbling over which subsidies we would or wouldn't want.

Therefore I just think it is easier to talk about the net contribution. It is a very substantial amount, and the pro-EU lobby can't argue with it, they can't dismiss it by saying "we get that back through subsidies" etc. In other words, it is rock solid.

We can say that we pay £4.3 Billion that we never see again. On top of that, a further £6.7 Billion of our money is redistributed by the EU for projects that we do not control.

Mark Croucher · 15-12-2004, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intbel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Croucher

If you pay, say, 10k a year, you get essentially that back in services, and therefore in reality your net tax bill is zero.

I think most of us accept that the logic in that is faulty, so why do we accept the government talking about net contributions?

Er ... we don't.

lol likewise, I picked 10k because I was going to demonstrate the math, but then realised I couldnt be bothered

14-12-2004, 11:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	Another figure We've heard several accounts of what Britain pays INTO phpbb_the EU every day. Sometimes it's £12 million, sometimes £40 million. This page (I don't know how long it's been there) states that it is indeed £30 million. :? http://www.ukipscotland.org/

15-12-2004, 01:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
Intbel Uber Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a field near you - look for the yellow and purple tent ... Posts: 4,665	I really do think we should be consulted about such matters. The way things are going, by the time we have a referendum it will be too late. We will be broke and dependent upon the EU for financial survival and withdrawal will not be a viable option. Yes, we should be consulted. __________________ We are all free to choose - every step of the way - no exceptions.

15-12-2004, 01:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
Biscuitman Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Reading Posts: 3,485	I don't know if anyone spotted the latest wheeze a couple of weeks ago. As always the EU arewanting to scrap our rebate, Chris patten in favour by the way. We as always said NO. They've come up with the idea of increasing the subscription for everyone and then giving the rest the same rebate as we get... effectively ending the rebate!! Would you want to be in a Christmas club with these people? __________________ IF THE EU WAS THE ANSWER, IT MUST HAVE BEEN A STUPID QUESTION!

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15-12-2004, 12:16 AM	#2 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,679 Party: None	The £30M figure is correct, although it is gross. It equates to £11 Billion per year. We pay £4.3 Billion net, each year.

15-12-2004, 12:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
GTFC_Adam Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 276	Jesus. And to think there's pensioners on the verge of prison because they can't afford their council tax. :evil:

15-12-2004, 12:32 AM	#4 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 9,679 Party: None	You may be disturbed to learn that the EU wants to increase our net payments to £6.8 Billion, although everyone else will be paying more in as well. That is still in negotiations though. France and Germany are also opposing it, so there is some hope. There is also talk of further reduction in our rebate, which could see that amount increase significantly again.